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Operation GreenDot, Following the SPAM

Published: October 23 2007, 12:18 PM
by Mark Wade

Do you ever wonder what is at the other end of the SPAM email that you receive in your inbox? You often see emails advertising cheap software, hot stock tips, and various pharmaceuticals. I think that we have all gotten the v1gra and Cialis emails. One day I decided I would investigate and see just where this little message would take me. So, if you are ready for an adventure, follow me on a virtual trip that will take you all the way around the world. Don’t forget your passport, you will need it.

 

Our journey begins outside of Washington, DC. I am sitting at my desk, going through my SPAM filtered email, when I see one that catches my eye, “Dreams can cost less repl1ca w4tches from r0lex here”. Sounds interesting I thought, and I could use a new watch. Knowing the harmful effects of opening unsolicited email, I decided to open the email in a controlled virtualized environment. Below is the content of the email:

 

A T4g Heuer w4tch is a luxury statement on its own. Unfortunately, that luxury comes with a price... Except when you visit Prest1ge Repl1cas, the web's most comprehensive collection of brand name repl1ca w4tches. In Prest1ge Repl1cas, any T4g Heuer is available for just over $200. htxp://www.lagetyo.com

 

I also opened several other emails with similar subject lines. Each email had the same message, but contained different websites to visit. From the sampling of emails I found nine different URLs. As you can see from the list of URLs, the names seemed to be randomly generated:

 

  • www.sueyhhb.com
  • www.sueywhhn.com
  • www.aueiwmm.com
  • www.syewthhw.com
  • www.soiekkj.com
  • www.suewywtt.com
  • www.ytrueujj.com
  • www.slejenbb.com
  • www.aeiwkee.com

 

According to Whois.net these websites are still listed as active, however they no longer resolve. All are registered in NanChang China, and all but 3 are registered to a Liu Tao who, according to Wikipedia, happens to be a famous Chinese actress. I am sure there is no relation.

 

Going back to the original email I received, I decided to look at who the email was from and who it was actually sent to. According the spam filter email headers, the email was sent from “cherylc@hisplacechurch.com”. I did a quick search on the domain, “hisplacechurch.com”. This led me to a small church in Burlington, Washington. That is Washington state, not Washington, DC. So I peruse the site and find the church staff link where I find Cheryl Neff, the Sr. Pastor’s Assistant. Sure enough, her email was the same. While you might think that Cheryl Neff’s computer is the origin of the email selling prestigious watches, it is actually not. Unfortunately for us, and you the reader, we will never know where the actual email came from. We can be pretty sure that Cheryl’s computer had some kind of Malware on it that contained a mail engine that sent out hundreds or even thousands of emails all around the world promoting these luxurious watches. Unfortunately Cheryl is not alone in this. I received the same email message from many other unsuspecting senders, ranging from various home users to Fortune 500 companies. I have also seen the same email content blindly posted on numerous blogs. Hopefully for Cheryl and the His Place Church, they got their computer systems cleaned up.

 

So, let’s get back to the email, because I still need a new watch. The first thing I did was start a packet sniffer on my local network to see if the web site was downloading any unwanted software (malware) to my system, or if the site was sending any of my personal information to some third-party destination. With my packet sniffer running, I opened up a web browser, I entered the www.lagetyo.com website, and off I went. It was a very nice site. There were lots of nice looking watches, bracelets, and earrings for sale. There was a shopping cart built into the site, a privacy policy, a testimonial section (which I can’t wait to read later), and a Contact Us link.

 

 

I viewed the source code from the site to see if there were any behind-the-scenes deceptions, such as any malicious iFrames. The site looked pretty clean.

 

I decided to read their privacy policy and see what they had to say. One thing that caught my eye was the use of SSL (Secure Socket Layer), which is good because it sends important information over the Internet in an encrypted state, and when you are sending your credit card across the Internet, you want it safe from prying eyes.

 

Next I decided to read the “About Us” link on their site. The owners mention that they have been the leading online retailer of quality luxury timepieces since 2003. Oddly enough, every one of the aforementioned websites was only in operation for one or two weeks. As a matter of fact, from the start of this investigation the http://www.lagetyo.com/ website was no longer up and operational. Since my work was not done and I still needed a watch, I went to another one of the websites that was still active. I picked www.aeiwkee.com. Just like the previous site, it was up for a few days, then down just long enough to change the IP address from 218.53.147.152 to 116.199.128.6. I found out that both IP addresses resolve to different companies, Hananet in Korea, and newpower-cn in China. If you enter http://218.53.147.152 in a web browser, you get the message “site not found on our server!” This is a common practice for these types of operations.

 

Now that I have a site that is up, I think that it’s time to make a purchase. Regardless of their four-year track record of being the #1 online retailer, and Sara Berry’s raving testimonial, I was still leery about using my credit card to make a purchase. In following my gut, I decided to go undercover to make the purchase. I made trip to my local CVS store and purchased a GreenDot Visa debit card. I put $100.00 dollars on the card and proceeded back to the office. For safety precautions, I decided not to use my real name and address when registering the card. So I took on an alias, Alain Tibberman. I needed to find something that cost under a $100.00 dollars. I was not able to find a watch for under that price. Knowing that I could always buy my wife a gift, I decided to look at their selection of earrings. I found a nice pair for only $52.00 (plus $29.00 for shipping and handling). First, I made sure that my trusty packet sniffer was running so I could see everything that was going on behind the scenes. I input all of my personal information - name, address, credit card number, etc. I was really curious where my credit card information was going to be sent. After the transaction was complete, I started going through the packet sniffer logs. Remember earlier when I said that I was happy to see that the web sites shopping cart was using SSL to encrypt the traffic? As you can see from the image below, there is my credit card number and CVV number in plain text. My name, address and email address were also sent in clear text. Good thing Alain Tibberman was a fictitious name.

 

The order has been placed. I hope that I get my earrings and I hope that my card information has not been intercepted along the way. I am pretty sure that the end site is storing all user information in an encrypted database, so it should be safe from hackers there.

 

I checked my newly created email account to see if I have received anything from the vendor. Sure enough, I have received a confirmation thanking me for my purchase and informing me that my order has been successfully processed, also providing an order number. It even provided me with an email address to contact if I need help.

 

Hmmm, very interesting. I went to domain from the support email, top-esupport.com, and the domain is not longer resolving. Through the Whois database, the top-esupport.com site is registered to a group called CSMJBS Enterprise, located in Las Vegas, NV. So I decided to conduct a Google search on CSMJBS Enterprise to see what I could find. The first site returned in my search was referencing Fake Sites Database, with a WARNING: “Please be aware that the fake banks, lotteries and companies on the list are used by dangerous criminals. We don’t encourage anyone to engage in any form of communication with them. If you chose to communicate them for whatever reason, you will be doing so at your own risk”. I decided to do a little poking around. I called the City of North Las Vegas and inquired about CSMJBS Enterprise. First of all the address that was listed in the Whois database was false. The company went into default in April of 2007. Jeremy Stamper, the head of the company resides in Seattle, Washington and has recently been accused by the Department of Financial Institutions Securities Division as running several fraudulent financial websites that has tricked numerous numbers of people into sending in money. Over $2 million dollars have been seized by Las Vegas police.

 

So let’s get back to my earrings. I was pretty sure that the vendor was going to charge my card, so I logged into my GreenDot Online account to see what transactions had occurred. Sure enough, there was a charge for $77.00 for the earrings, with the vendor name ElegantReplica.com and a phone number. Ah, another lead. Well, conducting a search on the ElegantReplicate.com led me nowhere. I found a few dead links, but mostly sites complaining about the domain being a part of a spam operation. So then I searched on the phone number. That lead was a little more promising. Out of 5 search results returned, two of them led to websites that resembled www.aeiwkee.com where I purchased the earrings. The other three results lead to web sites that no longer resolved. No surprise there. I did find out that the number is registered to a group called TwoBucks Trading Ltd. located in Nicosia, Cyprus.

 

So on our virtual tour we started off in Washington state, with the poor church lady; then to Herndon Virginia, where a nosy research started investigating; then to NanChang, China, where the websites were registered. From there it was a short hop to Shenzhen, China, & Seoul, Korea, where the two IP addresses were registered; back to the United State where a suspicious shell company in Las Vegas, Nevada, was registered as the registrant to the support email; back up to Seattle Washington and Jeremy Stamper’s shell companies; then finally to Nicosia, Cyprus, where my money was ultimately collected. That took you across America and got you 3 different stamps in your passport.

 

I was still wondering if I was going to get my earrings. So I called the phone number in Cyprus, and after calling 5-6 different times I finally got a live person on the other end of the phone who was able to provide me with a tracking number. I plugged my tracking number into the shipper’s website and obtained the following transaction log.

 

Foreign Acceptance, August 22, 2007, 7:35 pm, CHINA PEOPLES REPForeign International Dispatch, August 23, 2007, 4:09 pm, BEIJING., CHINA PEOPLES REP Foreign Acceptance, August 22, 2007, 7:35 pm, CHINA PEOPLES REPInbound International Arrival, August 25, 2007, 9:58 pm, KENNEDY AMC In route, August 26, 2007, 9:21 am, MERRIFIELD, VA 22081 Arrival at Unit, August 26, 2007, 12:52 pm, RESTON, VA 20190Notice Left, August 26, 2007, 2:19 pm, HERNDON, VA 20171  

 

Unfortunately I never got the shipment. I called the post office and they were not able to locate the package. I guess my post office could have lost it.

 

As I was wrapping this article I wanted to go back to the www.aeiwkee.com website to see if it was still up and operational, and poof, just like that the site is gone. This is the method of operation for these businesses. They will register many different websites and each site will only be up for a certain amount of time, only long enough to get some business before the Internet SPAM groups and other vigilante groups use the Internet as a public forum and expose the sites.  It very well could be that these sites are just recycled and will be selling something else in a few months.

 

At the end of the day, the things to remember the most about this story is that there are a lot of shady corners on the Internet. If you are about to use your credit card and purchase something online double check to make sure that it is your intended website. There are a lot of replica sites used to fool people. Also ensure that your personal information is really being sent over the Internet by SSL. Both Internet Explorer and Firefox will present a little pad lock indicating that the connection between the client browser and the server are encrypted. And last of all do not believe everything you read or get in an email, even if they are from nice church ladies.

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By: Mark Wade
Mark Wade is a Manager of Research Content with CA’s Threat Research Team. As a 10 year veteran in information security Mark has worked in Vulnerability and Malware Research with CA., was the Deputy Director of Operations with NETSEC, and conducted penetration testing and incident response with Para...
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328 people have left comments:

good artice that site is up and running agin

www.aeiwkee.com/model.php

i though i would say something

Rob,

Thank you for your interest and following up.  I have received many other similar comments on the site.  As I saw from before they seemed to go up and down just long enough to stay under the radar.

 Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Rob | October 29, 2007 12:35 AM

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz you could have saved yourself & readers some time & posted a blank page. What a bunch of NOTHING!

Posted by: boredtodeath | October 29, 2007 4:03 AM

Hey, that was a pretty good read. I'm surprised that after all the shady ways the spammers sent their emails, it looked like they actually sent a product. I would have thought your money would have been taken and you would never hear from them again. Too bad the earrings never arrived, it would have been quite interesting to see what spam goods look like.

Posted by: Keith In VA | October 29, 2007 4:07 AM

maybe they were doing site maintenance, because as of 0410am EST 29OCT07, the www.aeiwkee.com website is still up.  i just tried it.

 

Johnson,

Thanks for taking the time to read and comment.  Yes the site does go up and down.  I check for about two weeks after writing the article prior to the posting and it was down the whole time.  I guess it could be a number of things.

Sincerely,
Mark

Posted by: johnson | October 29, 2007 4:08 AM

wow... thanks for the information. i was a target of a room renter scam .... good thing had a hunch when i got the check and asked the bank to verify it before cashing it...

cuz they sent MORE than 4 times teh amount i asked for to secure their first deposit...

i didnt get charged by my bank cuz i asked them to verify if it was fake first... and i only lost 2 days of pay waiting at home for the package... with teh fake check -_-

 

P.

Thanks for the comments.  I have yet to hear about a room renter scam, but now I guess I can say that I have heard them all.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: P. | October 29, 2007 4:10 AM

GreenDot is made up of worse criminals than these spammers.

Posted by: GreenDotVictim | October 29, 2007 4:14 AM

GreenDot is made up of worse criminals than these spammers.

Posted by: GreenDotVictim | October 29, 2007 4:14 AM

Wow, I've never done this, but it's good to know the real truth behind them.

Posted by: Amanda | October 29, 2007 4:15 AM

Dear Mr. Wade,

Very useful information. Thank you.

Posted by: Zahn Ismail | October 29, 2007 4:19 AM

well, aeiwkee.com is up with 82.44.180.220 right now.

and i my question is why didn't you claim it from post office (cz it was on recorded delivery) ?

Enigma,

Thank you for reading the blog and posting a comment.  Yes I see that the site is back up.  Apparently they have gone up and down.  For two weeks since I have written the article prior to being posted I continuously checked the site and it was down.  As for your comment on the post office, I actually did drive down there and try to claim it.  They were unable to find it, or have any record of where it might be.

Thanks,
Mark

Posted by: enigma | October 29, 2007 4:19 AM

Thank you for taking the time to print this story.  The internet is a great help, but we do need constant reminders of the dangers.  I had a bad experience a few years ago where someone was able to block a port on my computer and when I shut it down, they were able to use my computer to make international phone calls.  This came to light when my phone bill arrived.  It was the phone company that told me about the blocked port.  The phone company also said this is not uncommon.  Again thank you.

 

Pat,

Thanks for reading the blog and commenting on it.  Yes anytime someone can find a way to make money they will exploit anyway they can.  Right now that vector is the Internet.  We all must be very careful about how we conduct our personal business online and interact in general.  Thanks again for the comments.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Pat Williams | October 29, 2007 4:20 AM

Thank you for taking the time to print this story.  The internet is a great help, but we do need constant reminders of the dangers.  I had a bad experience a few years ago where someone was able to block a port on my computer and when I shut it down, they were able to use my computer to make international phone calls.  This came to light when my phone bill arrived.  It was the phone company that told me about the blocked port.  The phone company also said this is not uncommon.  Again thank you.

Posted by: Pat Williams | October 29, 2007 4:20 AM

great info!!!

Posted by: tssadler | October 29, 2007 4:24 AM

great info!!!

Posted by: tssadler | October 29, 2007 4:24 AM

LOL! I just got such an email just now. I have received many of these emails in the past. And its obvious that these are scams. And I think many people figure it out as soon as they see the name of the site and the URL.

Have a look at their "Contact Us" page's source. There's a piece of javascript code and theres a variable called "RemoveWords". And it contains words like "stop sending|unsubscribe|take me off|delete me|stop email|opt out|spam|no more". LOL! Have a look.

Posted by: Ash Ketchum | October 29, 2007 4:27 AM

Dear Mr. Wade,

Thank you for a well written article and for researching these lurking monsters, for all your knowledge and clarifying it for us.

Could you also investigate a company called: cloncom where I bought telephone cards and paid foe them through paypal. When I want to access the company a screen on my computer warns me not to pursue this address for a reason I forgot.

Is this a legitimate site that has been diverted to a scam site? And what should I do to prevent penetration into my computer besides anti virus and spyware protection?

Thank you

Greta Corens

Posted by: Greta Corens | October 29, 2007 4:29 AM

Great Info ! Although I have never had the urge to purchase from  I didnt know or go to, its fascinating how easy it is to would be for someone to 'take' my money..... although in reality I guess I would be the one 'giving' it away.   THANKS for the information !

Posted by: peggy | October 29, 2007 4:29 AM

I don't think most people know how to check and do all that checking. Maybe software to do it all for them would be a big seller.  Also, couldn't they put a fake lock picture on it just the same?

Posted by: Linda R | October 29, 2007 4:30 AM

Excellent article.  Someone needed to do this and you did.  I always wondered about those ads (as well as the late night TV ones too).  Most interesting.

I do not know if you plan to do a follow up article, but I would be most quite interested to know if the earrings really got to the USA and were lost by the US Postal Service.  All of the BS in the foreign countries I can understand, but if the earrings really did get sent by the Seller and someone at the USPS lost (most likely stole) your earrings, that would be a terrible indictment of where the USA is heading and not to be taken lightly.  When we cannot even trust the USPS, that is a very sad day indeed.

Posted by: Craig J. | October 29, 2007 4:30 AM

good thing as I was never tempted to place a single click over those links... I allways mark them as spam

Posted by: Yusuke | October 29, 2007 4:31 AM

I never have been in such situation, but thanks for your article - it makes people think twice before purchasing from such 'companies'... And congratulations on your investigation, perfectly done! Kind Regards, Ada.

Posted by: Ada | October 29, 2007 4:32 AM

www.aeiwkee.com Is unfortunatly still up. So......eh.......i hate spammers

Posted by: Justin | October 29, 2007 4:32 AM

Great Info ! I had suspected as much but didnt know how to figure it out. I like my money way too much to let a stranger 'take' my money..... but  in reality I guess I would be the one 'giving' it away if I ever clicked on the unsolicited email and their links.   THANKS for the information !

Posted by: peggy | October 29, 2007 4:33 AM

does this also apply to posters or print?

Posted by: Robert J. Wolfe | October 29, 2007 4:37 AM

Quite fascinating!  Good research.  Thanks for shedding light on this internet mystery.

Posted by: Eric | October 29, 2007 4:39 AM

Very nicely done.This should be done more often by internet groups just to keep tabs on these companies.A very interesting read,Thank You...

Posted by: Geoff | October 29, 2007 4:41 AM

Very nicely done.This should be done more often by internet groups just to keep tabs on these companies.A very interesting read,Thank You...

Posted by: Geoff | October 29, 2007 4:41 AM

Looks like the website is up again.  What shipper was used?

Robert,

 Yes the site seems to go up and down.  At one point it was down for over two weeks.  I think that is a method used to stay off the radar screen.  If ISP's or others in the community who track these scams see the site is down they might not pay attention to it.  USPS was used.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Robert | October 29, 2007 4:43 AM

Hi Mark,

Thank you very much for this in-depth article. i have been trying to understand the complexity and the possibility of my personal details being used whilst , I purchased products on the internet. Site like yours, and the advice that you put online for computer illiterate like me is very helpful.

I look forward to other articles from you.

HUEY RODGERS.

Huey,

Thank you for taking the time to not only read the article, but to also post a comment.  There can be many dangers when sending your personal information over the Internet.  You never even know what malicious code might be installed on your system collecting your personal data.  It is very important that you have the proper security safeguards on your system and keep them updated.

Thanks,

Mark 

Posted by: Huey Rodgers | October 29, 2007 4:45 AM

Interesting!

I wonder if the crooks ever tried to max out the credit card, since it was for a $100 and only $77 was initially used...

 

JJoensuu,

Interesting you mention that because that was the purpose of writing the article.  I was actually expecting to see other attempts on the card.  I kept looking to see if there were transactions pending and there were none. 

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: jjoensuu | October 29, 2007 4:48 AM

A most interesting story. As a fitting epilogue, you might've followed through on how the Postal Service's lost your earrings. From the tracking information you provided, the last entry, "NOTICE LEFT," meant that a Postal Carrier attempted to deliver your earrings, but you weren't home. The Postal Carrier would then scan your package and input "NOTICE LEFT" and then leave you a completed Form 3849, which is the "Pink Slip" you would bring to the Post Office to retrieve your package.

But the Postal Service, also a somewhat shady operation, somehow inexcusably lost your package. Too bad, for now you'd never know whether you were sent earrings or some brass tacks. Still, how did you resolve your lost package with the Postal Service. I hope you didn't let them off the hook. Did you reported your lost to their website, usps.com?

Anyhow, I guess the bottom line, or moral of your story is, "don't buy anything from a spammer." I'm glad to say that I never buy from spammers and never will. As you know, spammers might send the same spam to millions of people, but they need only a small fraction, even <1 percent, of these people to respond and make a profit and thus feel encouraged to continue sending spam. So you can understand why I think anyone who buys from spammers should be stretched out and quartered.

Alan,

Thanks for the interesting comments. I did drive down to the post office and try to retrieve the package. There were unable to find it, or any record of it.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Alan Yates | October 29, 2007 4:49 AM

It just shows what a different age we live in now, and how all those books out of the 1970's that show armed robbers cooling it off down to a plastic card armed robbery, is not exactly as romantic a notion as what it first sounded 40 years ago in the criminals of the future technology books - but would look very hilarious back then with hells angel thugs robbing an autoteller &  pulling it off with oversized glasses, wigs and business suits in the days of knives, clubs , guns & hostages dragged by the tilted back head into vans.

But yes the prediction of this type of offence was dead right, but people in the future like you and me don't exactly hold it as a petty & trifle age of it.

 

Beamer,

Thank you for the comments.  Yes it is interesting how the times, and types of money making schemes have changed over the time.  It will be interesting to see how the landscape changes in the next 20 to 30 years.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Beamer | October 29, 2007 4:49 AM

It just shows what a different age we live in now, and how all those books out of the 1970's that show armed robbers cooling it off down to a plastic card armed robbery, is not exactly as romantic a notion as what it first sounded 40 years ago in the criminals of the future technology books - but would look very hilarious back then with hells angel thugs robbing an autoteller &  pulling it off with oversized glasses, wigs and business suits in the days of knives, clubs , guns & hostages dragged by the tilted back head into vans.

But yes the prediction of this type of offence was dead right, but people in the future like you and me don't exactly hold it as a petty & trifle age of it.

Posted by: Beamer | October 29, 2007 4:49 AM

Judging from the comments I read the lead into the story "mislead" most people who did not click the button on the bottom for the full story. The lead story could have been a lot clearer in the fact that it was a scam start to finish. If a reader only read the lead intro, i could see how they were confused, but reading the whole story made a lot of sense.

Posted by: Marcus | October 29, 2007 4:58 AM

you're the man!

Posted by: cob | October 29, 2007 5:02 AM

Very interesting article.

Posted by: Enrique | October 29, 2007 5:03 AM

Hey Mark, thanks for the great research. My wife is an internet shopaholic and she is the typical, "It won't happen to me" kind of girl... We read this together and her response was HOLY CRAP!!! I better just start going to the store!

John,

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment on the blog.  As long as you take the necessary precautions while shopping online you should be okay.  Things to keep in mind are to make sure your Anti-Virus and Anti-Spyware products are up to date; make sure that the site you are purchasing from is a legitimate site and not a fake look alike; never click on a link to take you to a site, but manually type it in, and make sure that the site is using SSL (check the browser pad lock as mentioned in the article).  While there are other safety precautions that can be made I think these are some important ones.

Sincerely,

Mark

 

Posted by: John | October 29, 2007 5:03 AM

I read through this because I find It amusing to say the least that people fall into these traps so easily. With all this investigations though, I think it would be possible to take down these records by attacking their sources, and making sure that EVERY web shop be registered properly with a form of E-commerce system. where people can look them up and make sure they are legit.

Posted by: George Rounds | October 29, 2007 5:05 AM

I guess that spam still exist because people "buy" stuff from such messages.

Posted by: Robintel | October 29, 2007 5:07 AM

good!!!!  it's about time we educate ourselves on those who insist on plaguing us with these crimes.

Posted by: truman | October 29, 2007 5:07 AM

I have read your article and found it to be vey interesting. Could you tell me some more about Malware and how to check your computer to see if you have it and how to get rid of those programs? My husband, on advice of his boss, visited a website concerning concert tickets (not to buy, but just looking around) for a heavy metal band from the 70's. Later that evening, I went online and discovered the home page was changed, and triple X-plus material plastered all over my computer screen, as well as dozens of triple X-plus junk literally "dumped" into my "Favorites" section. I thought I would throw up from all of the filth. No matter how much we deleted and tried to block, the garbage kept coming back at us. We knew that some site had placed a "cookie" onto the system, but couldn't locate them all. Finally, my husband made the system "crash" and reformatted the hard drive on our computer. All I could think of was thank goodness our two children didn't get onto the computer to play any of their favorite games and see this! We thought we had a good spyware system and we NEVER go to any of those types of sites. Believe me! I told my husband to not EVER take his bosses advice on web sites again! And he NEVER has since then. By the way, when his boss found out what happened, he thought it was quite funny.....

 Katrina,

Thank you for taking the time to write such an interesting comment.  There are many different ways that Malware can make it onto your system.  You could click on an attachment that is or contains Malware in it.  You can be enticed to visit a malicious website by receiving a link in an email or instant message.  Just by having a browser that is not up to date on its patches can download malicious code to your system.  To ensure that you are keeping your computer free from harm it is best to keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Spyware programs up to date and constantly run scans.  I would also ensure that your operating system and other installed applications are up to date with patches.  A lot of this can be automated.  Last, beware of social engineering.  This can come in the form of spam, instant messaging etc.  Someone is trying to get you to go to a site or open an attachment for a specific reason.  As yourself why?   Thanks,Mark

 

Posted by: Katrina Kee | October 29, 2007 5:09 AM

intrestiting indeed

Posted by: eg | October 29, 2007 5:12 AM

intrestiting indeed

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Posted by: eg | October 29, 2007 5:12 AM

Last January,I bought an Austin-Healey 3000 for $5250 from what I thought was ebay.After sending off the money,I heard nothing from ebay or the sellar,who was located in Hilo Beach,Hawaii.Finally,ebay told me that the site was fraudulent,and to coctact law-enforcement agenciesDespite forwarding all relevant emails to the Publc Prosecuter and the local office of the FBI,I have yet to get my money back.Needless to say,I did not receive the car either.

Mohamad,

 Sorry to hear about your unfortunate online shopping experience.  It is unfortunate that there are always people out there trying to take advantage of others.  With the boom of the Internet and the flatting of the world due to the Internet a lot of the crime can come from countries other than the US and some which make it harder to extradite people.Thanks,
Mark

 

Posted by: mohamad s.abbas | October 29, 2007 5:13 AM

Last January,I bought an Austin-Healey 3000 for $5250 from what I thought was ebay.After sending off the money,I heard nothing from ebay or the sellar,who was located in Hilo Beach,Hawaii.Finally,ebay told me that the site was fraudulent,and to coctact law-enforcement agenciesDespite forwarding all relevant emails to the Publc Prosecuter and the local office of the FBI,I have yet to get my money back.Needless to say,I did not receive the car either.

Posted by: mohamad s.abbas | October 29, 2007 5:14 AM

Ha ha, I don't think I ever fell for the spam stuff in my box, I always though it was like the junk mail that comes though the post.  But then again maybe my generation has been forwarned about sleez-balls online.  If I'm going to shop online I usally stick to a business that I can find in my town.  At least then you know its real.  I've never ordered somthing online that didn't show up at my door, so I think I'm doing ok.

Posted by: Aleaha | October 29, 2007 5:18 AM

Like the merchandise ordered from the spammer-the goods promised in the header were NOT delivered in the text. Not gereralizable to what happens in general.

Posted by: Alaine Tibberman | October 29, 2007 5:19 AM

Hi,

You really took some pains here but it is worth it as many will certainly beware of the "internet rats" that are all over the place. Am new on the internet. I used to think that once those things we usually look out for on the screen to make sure websites are genuine are there then one can go on and do the buying, but I think I know better now. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Sylvanus | October 29, 2007 5:21 AM

Very informative even for NOT a newbie like me  :)

Thanks

Posted by: Shyam | October 29, 2007 5:23 AM

Very informative even for NOT a newbie like me  :)

Thanks

Posted by: Shyam | October 29, 2007 5:24 AM

nice article, a must read, though i am from the IT security background i would like to say that, people must not believe for everything what they receive in their mail boxes as there are always fraudsters at the other end, awake for you to be victim... :)

Manav,

Thanks for the comment.  Yes you are very correct.  There is always someone looking to take advantage of someone else.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Manav | October 29, 2007 5:28 AM

It is a great information and thanks for trying to dig up this issue and spread the awareness about such frauds. Though such things should be vigilantly checked and eradicated by the cyber patrol. Hope this message reaches the cyber detectives and action begins soon. Once again great thanks for posting this issue.

Posted by: Deepak Kaushal | October 29, 2007 5:29 AM

Beautifull work ! It's very informative and it shows that it is possible to track down spammers and other malwarers.

There sould be an "international spam police" to do just that + the little more to nail the physical person.

 Pat,

Thanks for the comments.  I recently read about the predictions on the number of email messages that traverse the Internet and how many of them are Spam.  I can't recall the number, but I was shocked.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Pat | October 29, 2007 5:34 AM

This is so true, I kind of experienced this thing, they copied my e-mail add that goes on my bulk-mail.  I was surprised that I have the same e-mail add from somebody and I think that's their trick for me to open my bulk mail cuz it's the same as my e-mail add!  but I never opened it cuz I was thinking it might  be a trick.  So, what will going to happen now will they use my e-mail add to trick other people?  

Posted by: maria | October 29, 2007 5:38 AM

i never never open spam letters i always delete all of them.. to hell to senders... they cannot fool me.

Posted by: ida | October 29, 2007 5:39 AM

Amazing. The world of e-mail spam has become more clear to me than ever.

Posted by: Chris | October 29, 2007 5:39 AM

This is so true, I kind of experienced this thing, they copied my e-mail add that goes on my bulk-mail.  I was surprised that I have the same e-mail add from somebody and I think that's their trick for me to open my bulk mail cuz it's the same as my e-mail add!  but I never opened it cuz I was thinking it might  be a trick.  So, what will going to happen now will they use my e-mail add to trick other people?  

Posted by: maria | October 29, 2007 5:40 AM

So, the real criminal here is the US Postal Service ineptness.

What a wild story ! EVERYONE knows the US Postal Service never lets you down  .... he he he

KUDOS for your hard work.

Posted by: Kent | October 29, 2007 5:41 AM

Thanks for the info. I do receive e-mails from some people or businesses offering all sorts of things including satelite tv on the PC. I don't even open them.

Hey, if you receive mail who's subject begins with "Re:" implying a reply when you know you never sent any such message, does it mean you computer is infected? What are the likly reasons/possibilities and how can one be protected against such?

Can you write an article on this? Thanks.

L. Nanjaya,

Lovemore,

Thanks for the comments.  A common social engineering tactic is for people to craft emails with the FW:  or RE: in the subject implying that you sent them something or that someone is specifically forwarding something to you.  These are nothing more that social engineering tactics.Sincerely,Mark

 

Posted by: Lovemore Nanjaya | October 29, 2007 5:44 AM

Dear Mark,

Your post is actually an eye opener.  You have been able to uncover the metadata behind these scams, and I thank you for educating those who are still in doubt and those who want to take chances.  With more spam than genuine emails landing on our inboxes, we have become more diffident, to the point where we don't know who to trust.  What do you do when you get a message from an entity posing as Google or Yahoo!?  Thank God for vigilantes and risk takers like yourself, who go all the way to divulge the real story through spending their own hard-earned cash so others don't fall in similar traps.  Bravo!

Posted by: Deltatr | October 29, 2007 5:45 AM

thanks Mark, I'll send this info on to my daughters and hopefully keep them from making this type of mistake

Posted by: Daryl K Cornelius | October 29, 2007 5:52 AM

Fascinating.  Thanks for the legwork you did setting this all up and tracking it.  Interesting and useful!

Posted by: Dakota Joe | October 29, 2007 5:54 AM

Finally, someone did really track what goes on behind the scenes when someone follows a spam and 'lived' to report it! For us mere users, who are not at all equipped with what you call the sniffer that did all the tracking and I assume something else that protected you from whatever else that could be included in the mere click of a spam link, there is no chance we could survive your adventure (despite all the anti-spam, anti-spyware, anti-virus tools we thought would keep us from those with malicious intents on getting our vital information and use them against us) without experiencing system crashes afterwards and then losing everything.

Your report is truly very enlightening.

Desiree,

Thanks for your comments.  While the article was fun to write it does show you the levels of deception that people will go to run a scam. 

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Desiree AC, Philippines | October 29, 2007 5:54 AM

Hi Mark,

I enjoyed your story very much and it was extremely informative, and a bit scary, too!  I hope very much that folks never see our web site as similar to the one you just decribed here.

Best wishes,

Carl Latona

Wondertrail.com

Community Oultet, LLC

Posted by: Carl Latona | October 29, 2007 5:56 AM

tnx for the info! nice story. very funny and informative. im also curious about that.

Posted by: aJ | October 29, 2007 6:00 AM

I found this article to be very informative.The researcher spent considerant time, not to mention his money, just to tract down these scam apams and let the public beware. Thank you for your effort.

Posted by: MJ in FW | October 29, 2007 6:02 AM

Thank you for this article!!  I really enjoyed reading the whole story instead of the brief summary gave in Yahoo.  Lesson learned:  Buy real earings to your wife and not cheap replicas!

Nancy,

Thanks for the comments.  Yes I don't think that I will tell my wife that I was going to buy her replica earings. 

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Nancy | October 29, 2007 6:02 AM

When you looked up the top-esupport.com domain and saw "CSMJBS Enterprise", this is because AIT Domains (a domain registrar) will set your domain registration information that way by request if you would your contact details private.  They did not charge me extra when I had them do that for my domains.  I was a little confused about the private contact details they entered since they are different than the private registration example provided on the AIT Domains website.

Possibly, you did not receive the package because you did not use your real name for the credit card, and that information also doubled as who the package was to be delivered to.

Posted by: Wayne | October 29, 2007 6:03 AM

I found that a very interesting read,and Im sure it will be alot of help to people who usually buy things online, I don't as such, because I dont have money to buy anything with as I am only in my early teens^__^ , but its nice to know that you and other people are ensuring the safety of purchasing items on the internet.

Posted by: Sophie Ferguson | October 29, 2007 6:03 AM

Thank You very much for your research on this,,,it's an eye opener...I've always been wary of using my credit card on line anyway...and I tell my family not too just for that reason...if i can't pay cash for it...then I don't need it

Posted by: Tony Gunther | October 29, 2007 6:06 AM

This was a very good article.

I got dupped by a scam once (and I thought I was "internet savy")

Thank you for taking us on the journey :)

Posted by: Sangindiva | October 29, 2007 6:10 AM

i wonder if the tracking number is legit or bogus and if it were really shipped.

Curiosity Killed the Cat,

I do think that the tracking number was real because I was able to track it through the shippers online tracking system.  So something was shipped, but was mysteriously lost at the post office.  Unfortunately we will never know what was in the box.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: curiosity killed the cat | October 29, 2007 6:11 AM

Great read, I really enjoyed that! :)

Posted by: Vince | October 29, 2007 6:12 AM

Thank you for your indepth reserch in thid subject.  I wonder how they get back at you with spayware to infiltrate your computer.  Please write about this subject next time, becuase I want to protect my computer privacy from hackers.

Again, thank for your time.

regards

Abdel,

There was no Spyware on my computer.  I monitored it the whole time to see if the website was dropping any Malware on my system and they did not.  However that is sometimes often the case.  Thanks for your comments.- Mark

Posted by: Abdel Galani | October 29, 2007 6:13 AM

I guess I was one on the lucky ones, in sept 2004, I ordered a fake rolex for around 225.00. I waited around 60 days, still no watch, I contacted my credit card company. One Jan 2, 2005, my watch arrives at my house! It is really nice, though not water resistant. It fools people in jewelry stores. I then get a letter from my credit card card company saying that they didn't get a reply from the vender, and gave me credit for my puirchase.

i have had to repair the stem, they had to use rolex parts, but the watch keeps great time and i wear it daily.

Ron,

Thanks for the comments.  Good for you, I only wish other could be so lucky.  Since this post I have been reading comments from other readers who have not been so lucky.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Ron Seiler | October 29, 2007 6:13 AM

Great article! It's fascinating to see just how these buggers pull off these scams. And aeiwkee.com is up again too!

Posted by: novaks47 | October 29, 2007 6:21 AM

Very good. I confess I was tempted to engage myself into shopping from one of these perfect replicas websites. Half of me believing and the other half not. Maybe over my curiosity as well. Im glad that you went upfront!

Posted by: Tom Faria | October 29, 2007 6:26 AM

Wow, this was very insightful.

I'm NEVER going to order anything from a SPAM mail.

Posted by: Roxy | October 29, 2007 6:28 AM

Thanks Mark for a great job.

I have been warned.

Elmer

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | October 29, 2007 6:30 AM

Thanks Mark for a great job.

I have been warned.

Elmer

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | October 29, 2007 6:30 AM

Hi Mark,

I have followd closely this journey with the spammers, clearly this industry is taking away millions of $ each day.

Its impressive to seee that there are ways to track down the people behind it right across the globe.

the internet has obviously made the global village even smaller, the only thing I see is a lack of legistation, a legislation that is as boderless as the internet itself.

Thanks for this very insightfull report, I hope you can do more of these kinds of reports, alot of people fall victim due to mainly... ignorance.

thanks!

Ken Mugo

Kenya

mugoken@gmail.com

Posted by: Ken Mugo | October 29, 2007 6:31 AM

Thank you so much...geniuses are always good to have around!

Posted by: raven | October 29, 2007 6:32 AM

This is realy interesting. The spammers are dragging the e business crazy. One may need to revert to the good old days when it comes to a matter of purchasing. Thank you very much for taking the time to take users through the maze of the tricks and tools of the trade called...spam

Posted by: Yinka Adeosun | October 29, 2007 6:33 AM

That's horrible! I own a website myself, and I just can't imagine doing that to people!

A year ago, I was a victim of scam. I got this email from someone saying something about if I was interested in receiving money, that a deseased person left it all, and that the bank was going to confiscate it or something. I don't remember anymore. The point is that I'm still receiving emails like that. I've changed many emails because I was so fed of receiving them. But, this people, I don't how they do it.

Posted by: Edith | October 29, 2007 6:34 AM

Very interesting. Such a long trail to follow if one were to ever purchase something from spam; which this article obviously states not to do.

Posted by: kyo | October 29, 2007 6:34 AM

That was very interesting to me... How it all traveled.. Spam for me is like junk mail in snail mail and it goes in the trash without being opened.. But the process which you went thru was very entertaining..

Posted by: Kesha | October 29, 2007 6:34 AM

Very interesting. Such a long trail to follow if one were to ever purchase something from spam; which this article obviously states not to do.

Posted by: kyo | October 29, 2007 6:35 AM

The website is back...

Rick,

Thanks for the information.  Several people have been nice enough to inform me that the site is back up.  It was down for about two weeks while I was finishing the article and being posted to the CA site.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Rick | October 29, 2007 6:35 AM

good job,very enlightening.

Posted by: gino | October 29, 2007 6:38 AM

good job,very enlightening.

Posted by: gino | October 29, 2007 6:38 AM

I enjoyed your adventure and thank you for your time and patients.  I would also like to say that most folks who read the story didn't bother to click to read about the rest of your adventure.  And they wonder why they get caught up in internet scams.  Thanks again.

Posted by: Ms. T.R.Graham | October 29, 2007 6:38 AM

Has there been any other activity unknown to you on your Credit Card since your watch purchase.

 

No there has been no other transactions on the card, but I do keep looking.

Posted by: Billy Bob | October 29, 2007 6:43 AM

Great investigating, Mark!

A lot of people who are new to the internet have no clue about online credit card scams, and easily get snared in these sorts of traps. I guess the best way to fight online fraud is to spread awareness - if they get no reward, they won't do it.

Interesting that the package seems to have almost reached you, though. What are the chances that your post office really did lose it, versus the possibility that it was never sent? It'll be a great surprise if the watch was dispatched though, wouldn't it!?

Waleed Z.

 

Posted by: Waleed Z. | October 29, 2007 6:45 AM

 Looks as if your earrings you bought from one bunch of crooks was stolen by another bunch...I think that its the Gambino family who does the airports and trucking in NY and NJ. I was quite surprised that your item was shipped at all

          Good Luck

Posted by: Bob Herbert | October 29, 2007 6:48 AM

 Looks as if your earrings you bought from one bunch of crooks was stolen by another bunch...I think that its the Gambino family who does the airports and trucking in NY and NJ. I was quite surprised that your item was shipped at all

          Good Luck

Posted by: Bob Herbert | October 29, 2007 6:48 AM

Your article is very informative, and your diligence in working through a maze is really admirable. I myself have always wondered about these spams, and most especially those that congratulated me for having won a LOTTERY ( I've won more than a hundred times if they were true!), and some guys inviting me to work out a "money transfer" from some banks in Africa.  I admit, I opened a few of those mails, and I tried to call JUST ONE NUMBER out of curiosity.  Then I was scared of the possible result.  So far, I haven't noticed anything wrong going in my PC (I didn't venture into giving any credit card info, but I'm sure they got my phone number and I don't know what they would do with them.)  Those guys even used my email address in e-mailing me!  So I guess my e-mail address has gone around the world selling watches.  I am using a new e-mail address now and I don't open the old e-mail account anymore.  Thank you very much for sharing your experience.  I wish more people would take notice of your information.  Good job!

 

Romyd502,

Thank you for reading the article and posting some comments.  It is always interesting to hear stories from others who have seen similar things or have their own experiences.Thanks,
Mark

 

Posted by: romyd502 | October 29, 2007 6:53 AM

Also, beware not only of spammers, but of your local sorting office!  In the UK, if the item purchased got passed customs, (unlikely) but it might very well get opened in a UK sorting office.  You would never see the item!!

Posted by: Ray Pryke | October 29, 2007 6:54 AM

This is a very good article. Makes us more aware of what spam emails really are... thanks for taking the adventure and sharing it here...

Posted by: Money Maker Blog | October 29, 2007 6:55 AM

Did you read the Disclaimer for www.aeiwkee.com?

I found it rather funny.

It states:

If you enter this site you are not agreeing to these terms and you are violating code 431.322.12 of the Internet Privacy Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1995 and that means that you cannot threaten our ISP(s) or any person(s) or company storing these files, and cannot prosecute any person(s) affiliated with this page which includes

family, friends or individuals who run or enter this web site.

_________________________________________________

Anyone who know the Internet fairly well no there is no such thing as Internet Privacy Act.  It a common sign of a fraud too.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Internet_Privacy_Act

Glen,

Thank you for your colorful comments.  Yes I read the disclaimer, but did not go that far with it.  Thank you for providing this information so other readers can see it.

Sincerely,

Mark 

 

Posted by: Glen | October 29, 2007 7:04 AM

The Disclaimer for www.aeiwkee.com is rather funny and a huge flag for fraud.

www.aeiwkee.com

Posted by: Glen | October 29, 2007 7:07 AM

This is the best story I've read on the internet so far, great job

Posted by: Bob | October 29, 2007 7:12 AM

My guess is that the email did not originate in Washington.  You should check the headers for IP addresses of servers and such.  The infected PC was probably instructed to use the orginating email as the return just because the email address was found online on their webpage.

Posted by: Kent | October 29, 2007 7:14 AM

I believe the tracking info was all made up and they never shipped anything at all.

Posted by: Bob | October 29, 2007 7:16 AM

Your article is an eye opener for me.Really sometimes, people are careless when using the internet.Thanks very much for the information

Posted by: amberlady | October 29, 2007 7:24 AM

It is obvious that spam are spams. What I don't undertand is why people are eager to use such technology blindly. May be, you westerns have enough money to give/lose easily. The order of the day realy dectates your life, living in luxury, spending more and using technology to make life much easier. We in Africa do not even trust things at hand when it comes to purchase. We must find out first that it is genuine. We prefer Bar Trade than elecronic e-commerce. That is why we don't have any system in place in many African Countries. I don't even trust my ATM card. It happens in our banks that the system administrators get a very very small money (cents) deposited in some accounts and taken easily. Nigerians and the masters. We don't know how much interest we earned but that might gone to some bank clerk unoticed. I remove my salary from my account with ATM card immediately after the accountants posted it. That way a feel safe. Encryption!!! forget it!!! Electronic transactions!!! Don't be kidding!! especially in Africa!!!

Very interesting presentation. I knew this before but there are a lot out there being fooled everyday and keep silent because ashmed of their failure.

Dawit

Posted by: Dawit | October 29, 2007 7:24 AM

What did the post office say?  Was it a fake tracking number?

Posted by: tom in michigan | October 29, 2007 7:28 AM

If the item was shipped, why are they crooks? The quality of the item may have been very poor, but you cant assume that. Did you exhaust all ways of getting your money back via the courier companies? Was the item insured?

Posted by: Gary | October 29, 2007 7:31 AM

If the item was shipped, why are they crooks? The quality of the item may have been very poor, but you cant assume that. Did you exhaust all ways of getting your money back via the courier companies? Was the item insured

Posted by: Gary | October 29, 2007 7:33 AM

Isn't it possible that all of the tracking information was also false and the item was really never sent?  It seems to me just a little too neat of a coincidence that it would almost make it too you and then disappear.

Posted by: Patrick | October 29, 2007 7:34 AM

Isn't it possible that all of the tracking information was also false and the item was really never sent?  It seems to me just a little too neat of a coincidence that it would almost make it too you and then disappear.

Posted by: Patrick | October 29, 2007 7:35 AM

An interesting story, albeit without any real surprises.

The bit about the church lady is a little unfair -- the fact that the mail was created by malware on someone's computer is fair enough, but it certainly doesn't need to have been on hers; for all we know, she could keep her computer totally clean; all it takes is someone with malware on their system to have you in their address book, and your address will be used to send spam.

You also haven't done her any favours by posting her address in the article (I'm assuming you didn't anonymize it?) -- if the spammers didn't have it before, they will certainly get it now.  :(

Posted by: Spud | October 29, 2007 7:36 AM

if they tracked it to china or whereever, why not contact the interpol to do the investigation?

Posted by: j | October 29, 2007 7:39 AM

if they tracked it to china or whereever, why not contact the interpol to do the investigation?

Posted by: j | October 29, 2007 7:39 AM

Thank you for the entertaining piece!  

I use a different email address (not my regular ISP server, and not public anywhere) than my main one for accounts and purchases, that way, I know that the emails to my main account (more public) from a company that I do use/belong to are fake.

It still amazes me how many people are taken in by spammers when there are so many articles written about the problem in various medias.  I love the new  TV commercials showing "spammers" in person trying to scam someone.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Posted by: Linda | October 29, 2007 7:39 AM

i have found that you can purchase a postal lable and it would appear it was shiped befor  it actualy was, this is a coman practice with e-bayers , i bought a guitar, it showed that the post office recieved it, but they had not even seen it, it was only after persuing it through a complaint with the e-bay  that  they actualy sent it , this was a month later,  be aware,

Posted by: rik | October 29, 2007 7:41 AM

Great informative reading.

I'm 30 and I don't worry about myself getting ripped off; I've spent half of my life on the internet and common sense tells me what's real and what's not.  I worry about my 60 year old parents who only bought a computer to send e-mails and download free screensavers.  They're the ones who the spammer is ultimately ripping off and it's sad.  I hope that this problem disappears with time, but as soon as a solution is found, I'm sure the spammers will find a new avenue to go down.

Posted by: R.P.K. | October 29, 2007 7:42 AM

I think this is great research and information.  However, if All spam ends up the same way...as a scam to get your money, then why is spamming not made illegal?  

Posted by: javier | October 29, 2007 7:44 AM

What makes you think the tracking info is legit, and not just something that was planted? I suspect the spammers have a hack into the shipping database.

Posted by: zxt | October 29, 2007 7:45 AM

Thanks for taking the time to do this and for informing the public. I was discussing it with one of my associates who also found the information that you provided for us very helpful. Both of us are Sergeants in the army and we have a lot of soldiers who are just coming in and not familiar with the world and the dangers of credit cards and online purchases. Your article gave me both the tools and insight to use when education these young soldiers on taking risks in the financial world.

Posted by: John D. | October 29, 2007 7:51 AM

I have never bought anything from spam, and now I have a good reason WHY!!!  WOW!  What an enlightening article!  I've just been swindled by a J. Blake in Michigan, though, which was NOT spam, and am going to have to get my credit card cancelled today as a result.  <sigh>

Posted by: Linda Yates | October 29, 2007 7:51 AM

Thanks so much for your article and the research, time, and patience it took to gather the info.  We appreciate it greatly! A job well done.

Posted by: John D. NCSC | October 29, 2007 7:54 AM

I cant understand why cant be found a quick solution of all these kind of troubles. As author mentioned, we all have daily, tons of such emails.

Posted by: Constantin Chersin | October 29, 2007 7:56 AM

WOW, I do thank you for the amazing adventure, and the time you took to make it simple enough for all of us to understand it.  Thank you

Posted by: Maya | October 29, 2007 7:56 AM

I'm curious if anyone contacted the "Church Lady" and informed her about her email spewing address and how to correct it.

Excellent read...

Thank you!

Posted by: Bob Sz | October 29, 2007 7:59 AM

Thanks Mark!

Good thing there is more money in spamming than virus develolpment.  It is an absolute that computer knowledge and a criminal mind will yield millions of $ from Internet idiots (I count myself among them).  Thanks for the adventure.

One solution is to require that all spam originate through an interlaced network of servers that can provide, as an attachment to the spam, the date, place, time, person, and verification of the spammer.  Those wishing to advertise/spam would have to first secure an electronic imprint/identification card complete with pix, name, location, and fingerprints.  One critical requirement would be that all information be kept absolutely current and that the cardholder must be immediately available at all times through a verifiable email or telephone location.  The imprint would be required on all spam or it would be terminated immediately by the server(s).

Actually, those legitimate advertisers/spammers ought to form up an association that would provide this verification service to it's membership for a fee that would be used to set up the system.  I'll leave the details, cost and intergrity of the process to those better equipped to deliver this product.

It appears to me that, at some point in time, either the State of Federal government will develop much more onerous regulations that this in a foolish attempt to stem the theft.

Posted by: Paul | October 29, 2007 8:01 AM

Thanks Mark!

Good thing there is more money in spamming than virus develolpment.  It is an absolute that computer knowledge and a criminal mind will yield millions of $ from Internet idiots (I count myself among them).  Thanks for the adventure.

One solution is to require that all spam originate through an interlaced network of servers that can provide, as an attachment to the spam, the date, place, time, person, and verification of the spammer.  Those wishing to advertise/spam would have to first secure an electronic imprint/identification card complete with pix, name, location, and fingerprints.  One critical requirement would be that all information be kept absolutely current and that the cardholder must be immediately available at all times through a verifiable email or telephone location.  The imprint would be required on all spam or it would be terminated immediately by the server(s).

Actually, those legitimate advertisers/spammers ought to form up an association that would provide this verification service to it's membership for a fee that would be used to set up the system.  I'll leave the details, cost and intergrity of the process to those better equipped to deliver this product.

It appears to me that, at some point in time, either the State of Federal government will develop much more onerous regulations that this in a foolish attempt to stem the theft.

Posted by: Paul | October 29, 2007 8:01 AM

Really great insight into the world of spam!

I wanted to share soething that recently happened to us:

My computer was hijacked by a company called avsystemcare.com (associated with Verio, a company with a long, bad history including stealing the Whois list to fraudulently spam members from Register.com).  This malware took away my administrative rights and my control panel.  I couldn't do a system restore, start in safe mode or even use software intended to remove it because the malware (extortware) prevented it from loading.  This all happened when we were forced to move from Earthlink (which I was quite happy with) to Embarq.  I think it is a huge coincidence that this happened when we used the less-than-wonderful internet security system that was part of their service.  A very official looking "Windows security alert" popped up when my husband was surfing that told him our files were being copies and he should run the security scan. Of course, he had the same reaction that most people would, he clicked "yes" to run the scan, and life was awful in our house for about 2 weeks. (I'm a grad student and a good portion of my latest paper and research was on the hard drive (my bad). After hours of searching for fixes and trying to clean this out of my system, we had to buy a whole new computer and trash the old one.

How ironic that once you are hijacked, the only way to get the malware out is to provide your credit card information to the shysters who hijack you.

Posted by: Andrea | October 29, 2007 8:01 AM

i just received a spam regarding OEM software.  How tempting it was, but being very weary of the internet and identity theft, i did not purchase anything.  They advertised immediate download of the merchandise with pass key.  Have you every tested such a site?  

Posted by: Darrick | October 29, 2007 8:04 AM

I happened to order 1 bottle of male enhancement pill but in several tries it did not push thru maybe because about 1 month now i havent received any shipment and no charge in my credit card either.  I tried to wait for a while after my follow up email with supportcanada.com which i think i have to find out and wait a while yet.  

Posted by: leon | October 29, 2007 8:06 AM

For a person who writes for a living, your English is horrible!

Posted by: Danny Boy | October 29, 2007 8:15 AM

I hope your article makes people more aware of all the risks involved in the Internet.  It is not just Spam mail but I have had someone start up a scheme while in a chat room and they just happen to be in Africa on a business trip and and had to have their trip unexpectedly extended and have run low on ready cash but just so happens they have some American money orders on them that they can't cash in Africa and would I help them out.  Out of curiosity, I allowed them to mail me the money orders one time.  I received 2 money orders and the envelope had a postmark on them from North Carolina.  I still had the guy contacting me on the internet at this time and I asked him about this and I was told that he had a friend mail them to me.....well duh on me.  I thought he had them in africa with him.....it's what he told me.  Wanted me to cash them and send him the money with a percentage for me for going to all the trouble.  Thought that was nice of him.  A friend and I took them to the post office and had them look at them since they were postal office money orders.  You know they had to compare them to find the discrepancies.  They were blurry on the pictures, but reasonably good fakes.  Gave the post office all the info I had, but they said they would probably never get anywhere with it.  Isn't it interesting where curiosity leads?

Posted by: Trina | October 29, 2007 8:18 AM

You were a good sleuth up until the tracking information.  What made you believe that the tracking information was factual?  

Posted by: Elizabeth | October 29, 2007 8:23 AM

Where can I get a "trusty packet sniffer " and information ob how to use this tool.. seek_her@hotmail.com Thanks

Posted by: Larry | October 29, 2007 8:24 AM

You were a good sleuth up until the tracking information.  What made you believe that the tracking information was factual?  

Posted by: Elizabeth | October 29, 2007 8:25 AM

Glen hit the nail on the head.  The disclaimer screams "This is not real, but saying this makes it OK”.  Interesting detective work, Mark.  

Oh yeah, watch out for the "Secret Shopper" ads.  They will use you to secretly try and catch a ”dishonest” Western Union employee using very good looking counterfeit money orders.  We had to compare them side-by-side with real ones to tell.

Posted by: Greg | October 29, 2007 8:28 AM

Did you try to get a refund or a re-shipment?  Might be fun to try and see what sort of reaction you get.

Posted by: William Kelly | October 29, 2007 8:28 AM

I just checked my emails and recieved spam from my own email address! How is that possible and what can i do?

Posted by: Andrew | October 29, 2007 8:29 AM

boring

Posted by: james | October 29, 2007 8:29 AM

i have often wondered about this very issue. i have recently been receiving the Lottery letters and bank transfers and wondered where they actually come from. i am suggesting this article to everyone i care about! thanks for the patience i know it took to gather all this information.

Posted by: amy | October 29, 2007 8:29 AM

Thank you for your research.  It is funny I had gotten all of the emails you listed and very tempted to buy one of the two tone Rolex replicas as I actually did see a replica in Wash. DC about 10 years ago sold on the street (now illegal and no longer available).  Since I had a real one rolex at the time the replica was so real that I now wanted to upgrade to a gold one (without the $10,000 cost) so thought of purchasing one from this site but wondered if this was a hoax.  Thank you for saving me $229.00 + S&H plus the hastle of worrying about being scammed and no watch!  Thank you..thank you!

Posted by: Samatha | October 29, 2007 8:37 AM

I was thinking that the tracking information was false, also.  With any e-commerce site, there should be something that tells you what company they use to ship the item.   You should be able to enter the tracking number on their web site, and get the tracking information.

Posted by: Stringer | October 29, 2007 8:38 AM

Email headers, especially the sender info, are forged all the time.  There's no proof that the email came from a computer at hisplacechurch.com.

Posted by: Don Spidell | October 29, 2007 8:38 AM

Well at least they sent you the watch. LOL

I tested a spam email once, and followed the lead to China.

The salesperson even contact me through hotmail and MSN messenger to buy his items (Nike replicas) on his website: nikekingshopping.com or something like that.

Once they cashed the money through Western Union, they disappeared and never replied to emails/inquiries ....

beware

Posted by: Spam | October 29, 2007 8:39 AM

So here is my question. Are all of the emails that are supposedly sent out without the computer owner's knowledge, located in the "Sent" box of your Outlook?  Because I have never seen any emails in my sent box that I have not actually sent.  The other question is, have any of you ever seen that weird message that comes up when you launch your computer... something like "Messaging could not perform this operation because the default mail client is not properly installed"?  What messaging?  I didn't send a message.  Is this part of that scam?  If I had set an email default, would it be sending out these scamming emails?

Posted by: Lauren | October 29, 2007 8:39 AM

This was one of the most interesting articles I have read in some time. Great work !!!!

Posted by: Nicj J | October 29, 2007 8:40 AM

It's all very simple really...The old saying goes, "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see".  Regarding internet spam, believe none of what you see.  Common sense people, common sense!

Posted by: Spider Stephens | October 29, 2007 8:43 AM

this is a very good information.  It helps the new internet users to aware of the spam email.  

Posted by: Lalita | October 29, 2007 8:44 AM

With regard to Cheryl Neff, I have found the most recent spammer technique is to spoof RETURN ADDRESSES.

In my research, I would never have pursued a return address, as it is so easy to spoof, but rather dug into the "detailed headers" of the forwarding of the email, to find the last stop before coming to me.  

This "may" be spoofable, but for the most part isn't, and can THEN be passed to "whois".  I then send email to the abuse contact at THIS ISP, and have gotten things shut down.

I own all the infinite # of email addresses going to my owned domain, and so can use unique ones to track spam from people I choose to contact (or do a check such as going to a "remove" site and putting in a FALSE but unique addr, only to find IT spammed shortly after.

I then have a "catchall" account that all the email comes to that isn't to one of my dozens of mailboxes.  YAY, until - The sad part -- spammers start putting 2 random words together and add @[my domain] and suddenly I'm getting hundreds of REJECT messages.  

These REJECT messages, as well as the spam apparently from me (well, my domain) COULD cause ME to be blacklisted as a spammer (by people / programs that don't look at the detailed headers to find it coming form something that does NOT match my domain name).

SO I had to adopt a new technique:

As I am not a business, I generally only get mail from known entities.

As such, I filter ALL of them to individual mailboxes within my (Eudora) mail, program.  

What's left in the inbasket?  SPAM!   and an occasional email from someone I recognize.  BUT it is easier to find the few legit ones - and immediately make a filter.   Soon I get to 100% spam in my inbasked and can quickly kill it, while my legit mail is sitting, with each mailbox opened to its new mail.

Ward Christensen

inventor of Xmodem and (w/Randy Suess) the world's first BBS

Posted by: Ward Christensen | October 29, 2007 8:44 AM

I actually just went to the site and to my surprise it loaded. I did get a kick out of their security comment.  

"Due to high incidence of fraud, the shipping address must be the same as the billing address."

Posted by: Nick J | October 29, 2007 8:44 AM

this is a very good information.  It helps the new internet users to aware of the spam email.  

Posted by: Lalita | October 29, 2007 8:45 AM

Thank you for your very enlightening article.  It makes us wary of these people.  But I am a newbie.  Maybe you can help me. What really is a spam email?  What are the signs that an e-letter we receive is a spam?  There are many letters which come to my Bulk folder which are not spam. They are written to me by people whom I know for the first time.  These I put in the Inbox so that they do not come to my Bulk Folder again.  You may answer me by writing to joebulaojr@yahoo.com.ph

I consulted Wikipedia about the meaning of spam in the email.  What I gather was that it is a letter generated by a machine.  But there has to be a person behind this machine.  I got confused.

Thanks very much for your article.  I do get so many of these ads which sell this and that.  I put them all in a Spam Folder and then block their addresses using Yahoo's system.

Posted by: Jose | October 29, 2007 8:46 AM

Thanks for taking the time to do this, I know I've always been super curious about it.  I get about 30 spam messages every day and I'm sure most people do, too.  Hopefully this will help more people be aware of the dangers of processing their information through unknown websites and companies.

Posted by: Sarah | October 29, 2007 8:46 AM

ok you check your tracking number via the shipper's website???? how about using an independant third party like royal mail or UPS or USPS or fedex...... unless the company has is own freight lining company...... also the reason the post office couldnt locate the package is because the tracking number is fictatious... since you have conveniently ignored this fact I cant help but reason that you may be advocating people to use spam mails for purchases....

Posted by: some people are just...... | October 29, 2007 8:49 AM

The fake site is back up and running at this time.  All very real looking.  I went to the contact page, and all you get is a generic email "contact us" page.  No email address or phone number...I wonder why that is?  LOL.

Posted by: Paul | October 29, 2007 8:50 AM

1.  Could you provide the name of the sniffer you used?

2.  Is there one place where you can report SPAM.  

This is about email spam, but you can get as badly burnt by a "regular" site.  Try out www.vista.com - I bought business cards from them, but before you can complete the buying process, they pop-up a marketing page - making it very confusing - you don't know if you completed the buying transaction.  Once you click the marketing page - charges start showing up on your bank account from atleast 15 different companies over months.  There are sites where this has been reported, but the company is very much in business, run by an ivy league graduate - atleast that is what he claims.  When you call their contact - they tell you, you were not forced to click the 'marketing page' - but you were never told about these charges popping up in your bank account either.  I finally got my money back, and stopped future charges.  So, you must keep checking your account, you could be getting charged forever.  Now I am wondering if should use these CVS card all the time.

Very helpful article.

Thanks.

Posted by: Sandhya | October 29, 2007 8:51 AM

Great article, although I am not surprised to find out that you didn't get your earrings and that the sites constantly changed IP addresses.  The thing that I find the most unnerving is the fact that there are hard working Americans that fall for this scam on a daily basis without ever knowing that it's a scam.

Sorry that you had to lose $77 for this article.

Posted by: Nick | October 29, 2007 8:53 AM

I once sent an email back to one of those that claim that some family in Africa had their father pass away and left them millions and needed someone to help them get the money out of Africa.  Th supposed lawyer contacted me and did everything he could to convince me that this was ligit.  Once I asked him why didnt they just contact someone they alreay knew and have that person help them; the emails stopped.  I never open any emails from anyone I dont know, they all get deleted as spam.

Posted by: Mark | October 29, 2007 8:59 AM

I think there's another story here.  You paid $29 (more than half of the product's supposed value) for shipping on a $52 item that's probably only really worth $5?  If you logged onto Amazon and saw $29 for shipping on a $52 item, I think you, and anyone else, would walk away.  Plus, $52 for a knockoff.  Years ago I paid $5 for a Rolex knockoff on the streets of Boston.  Still works and looks good today.

Posted by: Brian | October 29, 2007 9:03 AM

Great research and article, even being an IT professional I had no idea of all the complexities of these scams.  I read a survey done by a national company a few weeks back saying that "SPAM has been accepted as part of our lives ..."

I say not if we let it, these people are hurting reputable companies and internet marketing and it cost consumers REAL DOLLARS.  The government needs to do even more to stop it.

Posted by: kevin | October 29, 2007 9:04 AM

Is the shipping agent a known authority?  It looks to me that the so called tracking history can easily be faked and nothing was actually sent. Everything else turned out to be faked.

Posted by: Jerad | October 29, 2007 9:08 AM

Thanks for doing this. I owe you a pair of earrings! Now...if I could just get your credit card number to cover shipping...

;-)

Posted by: Patrice | October 29, 2007 9:09 AM

I have fun cursing out the Nigerian Scam people.  I usually call them all kinds of demeaning names asking them how $#%&* stupid they think I am.  It is funny, I never get a follow up e-mail from the jerks.

Posted by: Anne | October 29, 2007 9:10 AM

People need to think, if someone uses misspelling to get buy Spam Filters do you really think there legit???? great article

Posted by: Kyle | October 29, 2007 9:11 AM

I must say I enjoyed your adventure.

I am really just too scared to do something like you have done.

Still a novice at this computor stuff.

But one thing I have learned in all these years is that there sure is a lot of crooked people out there.

Posted by: iseeblindman | October 29, 2007 9:12 AM

This is one of the most comprehensive cyber sleuths I’ve seen.  I recently investigated an attack on a friend’s internet bookstore.  I found that the perpetrators were running an program that used a valid name, phone number and mailing address (public information).

Then they used an algorithm for determining the credit card number, expiration date and verification number.  The engine ran several loops until accepted.  The quickest fix was to limit the number of transaction/attempts per fixed time-frame by a single logon.

Posted by: Vic | October 29, 2007 9:15 AM

Very interesting!  I am amazed you were able to track the whole thing like you did.  I am not that skilled with internet sleuthing, and wish I was.  

I decided to try a spam one time just to see what would happen.  It was to answer a consumer survey - to the end, and then I could win one of three top brand laptops.  I decided that I surely could take the time to finish a survey.  I couldn't.  It went on and on and on and...(I suspect that it could have had loops in it.)  The stumper page, though, was on tobacco products.  I don't smoke, and the questions were what brand of cigarettes do I smoke.  There was no getting around it.  I had to admit to smoking even though I didn't smoke.  I don't remember the details of that page anymore, but I had no choice to not receive tobacco email in the survey.  So far this had taken me about 1 3/4 hours, and I decided I couldn't do it anymore, and didn't want to get tobacco mail.  I closed out of the survey, and when I went back to my inbox, there already were hundreds of spam mail.  I would get over 300 - 500 spams a day, and had to finally get a different e-address, (even though I kept the old one).  (Then miraculously, a year or two later, the hundreds of spams a day became 30 - 50.  I don't know what happened.  Anybody know?)

Needless to say I didn't get the laptop.  But I didn't receive any tobacco spams, either.    

Posted by: tammera | October 29, 2007 9:16 AM

Thanks for the great article. One of the things I have started to use for ALL online transactions (even if with legitimate companies) is my PayPal debit card, which has the ability (through a nice browser plug-in) to generate a virtual card number that can be used once and only once. That way, even if some unscrupulous person at a legit company gets my card number, the expiration date and CCV number, they can't re-use it (the program generates a virtual card number, an expiration date of one month in the future, and a virtual CCV number as well). I'm not sure if other credit/debit card companies have similar facilities, but, if they do, people should use a "virtual" number rather than their actual card number for any online transaction.

Posted by: Mike Britton | October 29, 2007 9:17 AM

Wow, and I thought some spams can be trusted. My Myspace account before posted bulletins regarding penis enlargers. I don't why, but it did.

Posted by: Laurence | October 29, 2007 9:19 AM

When I worked for the Relay Service (i.e. Communication Services for the Deaf) I would spend the better part of my work-day being part of transactions like these.  The scammers use the Relay internet sites to place calls to unsuspecting businesses in the U.S., defraud them of their money and run.  We had no choice but to take the call because "they might be deaf."  The really smart ones would actually claim to be deaf and their was nothing we could do about it (although I broke CSD rules and warned people more than once- I got lucky that my supervisors were not monitoring at the time!)

Posted by: Katie | October 29, 2007 9:20 AM

Really great adventure. it just shows how much an individual/company will go to get money from innocent by-standers like us. do hope the authorities will do something soon. the days where internet is the last wild west should be put to a stop.

Posted by: Chong Ming | October 29, 2007 9:21 AM

Thanks for the very interesting article. Have you tried researching where the tracking information originated? I would assume this is a fictional service but you say you had a shippers website to plug in your tracking number. Who was the shipper? What was the site used to track? I would be curious to know.

Posted by: David | October 29, 2007 9:21 AM

Bob Herbert is not thinking very clearly.  The earrings were never mailed.  Why would so called crooks bother with such a small priced item.  Wake up!

Posted by: madeline | October 29, 2007 9:23 AM

I have always wondered about the spam sites and offers.

Thank you very much for doing this as it may save someone a lot of grief.

It is very enlightening as to how many predators that there are on the internet.

Again Thanks

Posted by: Frank Davidson | October 29, 2007 9:23 AM

Hey, your earrings got shipped to me by mistake!  Please send your address, and credit card info (to cover postage) and I will forward them to you!

-Alain

Posted by: Alain Tibberman | October 29, 2007 9:24 AM

Thank you so much for this article. I had wondered about this myself ever since that first email from a wealthy foreign diplomat offering me a high percentage of 15 million dollars he needed to transfer to a bank in America. Though I was not brave enough to reply to see what would happen, I did check out the domain info and found that it was registered in Kentucky. So much for my wealthy South African diplomat....

In any case, I really enjoyed this, thanks again.

Posted by: Rachel | October 29, 2007 9:24 AM

It depends on who the tracker was. if it was a notable shipping company like UPS or FedEx then it is hard to believe the tracking information could be false, I run an online store myself and deal with UPS on a regular basis, they are very diligent about their tracking, items are scanned every step of the way and someone has to sign each time the item is scanned. I would imagine the information to be false only if the shipping company was unheard of (therefore likely as false as the merchant itself)

Posted by: Don | October 29, 2007 9:26 AM

Nice grammar.  Can't believe you got frontpaged on Yahoo with that bad of spelling/grammar.

Posted by: James | October 29, 2007 9:26 AM

I'm sure this.  I'm sure that.  I'm sure the next thing.  How are you sure without having checked?

Especially interesting: while your data goes over a supposedly SSL connection in the clear, you're sure it's stored in an encrypted database when received?

Fine forensic fairy tale, d00d!  I've got nearly 40 years experience in computer, and CA is still a sign to don sneakers and run the other way.

Posted by: Paul | October 29, 2007 9:28 AM

Very interesting journey.  I do not open junk mail.  But it's interesting to know where all that leads.  Thank you for your effort.

Posted by: Phyllis | October 29, 2007 9:28 AM

POOF!! the site is back!

Posted by: Trallamus | October 29, 2007 9:30 AM

Dear "Alain,"

You wrote "We can be pretty sure that Cheryl’s computer had some kind of Malware on it that contained a mail engine that sent out hundreds or even thousands of emails all around the world promoting these luxurious watches."

Are you sure that is the case?  Or was the church's e-mail address simply used as a return address?  Was it spoofing or did the church actually send the e-mails?

Posted by: Steve | October 29, 2007 9:30 AM

It seems to me that people must be falling for these scams as they would stop if nobody answered them

Posted by: Ken Tillmanns | October 29, 2007 9:33 AM

Makes you wonder if the tracking info was fake as well?  Give a fake tracking number and post false progress before it finally disappears.

Posted by: Adam | October 29, 2007 9:33 AM

Have you checked for identity fraud, they may not charge your card, but they may have opened others.

Posted by: Anne | October 29, 2007 9:33 AM

Today, my work email got some spam (Viagra pills), and I asked myself the question "Who buys this Spam?" today... and behold, I found an article today on replica watches.

Interesting indeed.

Posted by: Jimmy | October 29, 2007 9:35 AM

I'm sure even the tracking number you recieved was fake. I bet you everytime the same thing will happen to make it look like they sent the package and your own post office lost the item being shipped. Probally just a prog that fills in the X's and Y's with your local info and recent dates. To make t look legit. But anyway WOW. What a process to get money. Almost seems easier to get a real job then to try and rip people off.

Posted by: Erk | October 29, 2007 9:35 AM

Mark, an outstanding article (with the exception of the occasional typo here & there; a forgivable offence for those of us anal enough to even notice).  I'm glad someone actually took the time and effort to report on an actual spam purchase experience.  Just wanted to respond to a comment made by Kesha early this morning:  "Kesha said:  [snip]  Spam for me is like junk mail in snail mail and it goes in the trash without being opened... [snip]"  Kesha makes a excellent point, but to add something:  Might be worthwhile to invest in a cross-cut shredder before throwing away junk snail mail from credit card offers & the like.  As you know, identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes and much of it is still perpetuated by criminals who start out the low-tech way by simply going through your trash looking for unopened junk mail.  You can pick up a decent cross-cut shredder for a very reasonable price at any given department store these days.

Strip cut models are usually cheaper, but not nearly as secure because a diligent crook may still be able to put enough of the shredded paper together to get personal info you don't want them to have.  Diamond cut models may be okay for light shredding, but the blades are not nearly as sturdy as those on a cross cutter.  It's worth a few extra dollars to go with a cross-cut model.  

Posted by: John C | October 29, 2007 9:35 AM

Have you checked for identity fraud, they may not charge your card, but they may have opened others.

Posted by: Anne | October 29, 2007 9:36 AM

I'm sure even the tracking number you recieved was fake. I bet you everytime the same thing will happen to make it look like they sent the package and your own post office lost the item being shipped. Probally just a prog that fills in the X's and Y's with your local info and recent dates. To make t look legit. But anyway WOW. What a process to get money. Almost seems easier to get a real job then to try and rip people off.

Posted by: Erk | October 29, 2007 9:36 AM

Just fyi, “cherylcn” from Washington did not need to have anything to do with that email.  While spammers do use malware infected bots to send out email, it's very easy to forge a return address.  Most of the return addresses are just randomly selected from their own lists.

There are probably people getting the same offer from you.

Out of curiousity, who was the shipper they provided you?  Is there any reason to believe it was ever actually shipped?

Posted by: Andy | October 29, 2007 9:37 AM

so, now you made it profitable for spammers, great, now they will start sending more stuff... no seriously, i've done security work for years and your article opened my eyes, i never attempted what you attempt, i assumed that you would get stuff, because no one does anything for free, well almost anything =)

Posted by: chuckles | October 29, 2007 9:43 AM

Very interesting article.  I receive up to 300 spam offers per day, especially the lottery winning and "please be a relative so I can share my inheritance with you".

Posted by: Bill | October 29, 2007 9:44 AM

Mark,

Great article and dilgence! You talk about "sniffer" software, how easy is that for a novice like myself to install and understand?

Posted by: Steven | October 29, 2007 9:45 AM

I suspect what the writer was saying is that the package really was never shipped, the tracking was fake as well.

Posted by: Laurie D | October 29, 2007 9:46 AM

Is there a way to determine if my email address is used by some else?

Posted by: RG | October 29, 2007 9:46 AM

WOW what an adventure !  

Now if you could only tell me how to get rid of the

"Congradulations you just won a Million dollars "  email !!

Posted by: Regina | October 29, 2007 9:51 AM

Extremely interesting adventure, could be a movie soon :)

Posted by: Walied | October 29, 2007 9:54 AM

Thanks a lot!  I had a good watch scam going and you ruined the whole thing!  Just kidding!  That was very interesting, I always knew that even opening a junk e-mail would lead to trouble but I was never quite sure of how it all worked.  I obtained a pre-paid Visa card from a local check cashing place a few years ago, I use it for every internet transaction I make, and I've recommended the practice to all of my friends.  

Posted by: Marijke | October 29, 2007 9:57 AM

They should make new laws to prosecute these people and the penalties should be severe ! Execution ! Yes !

Posted by: Danny D. | October 29, 2007 9:58 AM

I would never answer one of those email offers.  But am glad you did to find out just what does happen.  

The spam is a royal nuisance.

The senders should be caught and boiled alive in a vat of lead paint.

Posted by: jon cagle | October 29, 2007 9:58 AM

Great detective work! One thing, though. Did you ever actually get your wife a gift?  

Posted by: DeAnn | October 29, 2007 9:58 AM

Just remember, even if you get the merchandise, most likely there is no  guarantee or return policy if the merchandise arrives damaged or breaks down after using it.

I learned the hard way. You cannot ask for a refund or exchange if the merchandise comes from outside the country.

Margaret

Posted by: Margaret | October 29, 2007 10:00 AM

I support the internet's freedom, but this kind of thing is a bit terrifying. I had a friend who listed a horse for sale on a reputable site within the horse industry. She was contacted by a woman from Canada who wanted to purchase the horse for a younger brother.

Over the next two weeks, they emailed several times. My friend attempted to get the lady's phone number and an address at which to send a video--it's standard procedure to request a video of a horse in action if you live too far away to look at the horse in person. The lady insisted that she didn't need it, and was willing to pay the full amount. At last the lady agreed to call (still never gave out HER OWN phone number). She had quite a deep accent, but my friend, being from Texas and not very well traveled, assumed she was French Canadian.

They made arrangements both for the sale and for the shipment of the horse, which was going to cost an additional $800. A couple of weeks went by and my friend received a cashier's check for the full amount PLUS another $3,000!

What a shame that cashier's checks, once considered the safest form of sending money, are now the most widely fraudulent form of money! Not only the check but the amount as well sent up red flags. My friend contacted the "buyer" and asked why the amount was so high. A response came back saying that they had included a little extra to help cover any unexpected expenses, and just to send back a personal check with whatever was left over. Hmmm. My friend went to the bank.

The teller IMMEDIATELY APPROVED AND STAMPED THE CHECK!! She didn't even look at it, although my friend explained the situation. Her response was, "Well, it's a cashier's check, so I'm sure it's fine." What a moron! So my friend asked for a manager. The third person to look at the check finally gave it a real looking over and declared it to be a fake.

If you cash one of these fraudulent checks, YOU are going to go to jail or pay a huge fine, even if you did it without knowing you were doing wrong! The frauders aren't just taking your money. They are involving you in their crime.

With so much info about it out there, I don't know how anyone is still taken in.

Posted by: dsrtrosy | October 29, 2007 10:01 AM

I have gotten different versions of the Nigerian scam and always refer them to one another for their mutual benefit.  It's a throwback to when I used to stuff one companies junk mail in the pre-paid mailers for another companies junk mail, or ask for a telemarketers home number so I can call them during their dinner.

Such is modern life, great article, too bad the sales pitch was a fake.

Posted by: Rob G | October 29, 2007 10:03 AM

Very interesting article.  Thanks for taking us on the tour.   It would be nice if the people who respond could spell.  

Posted by: Sally Connolly | October 29, 2007 10:03 AM

i thought the www. la get yo(u) website was cute, didn't you?

Posted by: nana | October 29, 2007 10:04 AM

Thank you, I am still a novice but a better informed one.  I will be looking into a program that detects malware.

Posted by: ursa | October 29, 2007 10:08 AM

THANKS, I REALLY  APPRECIATE YOUR VIRTUAL TOUR. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE GADGETS YOU USE FOR TRACKING THE SPAMMER LIKE THE PACKET SNIFFER. ARE THESE SOFTWARE AFFORDABLE ?

Posted by: TONY | October 29, 2007 10:09 AM

http://www.aeiwkee.com/ site is up and running againi for some reason.

Posted by: Matthew | October 29, 2007 10:12 AM

"Patrick said:

Isn't it possible that all of the tracking information was also false and the item was really never sent?  It seems to me just a little too neat of a coincidence that it would almost make it too you and then disappear."

Wonder about the same thing too.

Posted by: DW | October 29, 2007 10:13 AM

Nice research... two thumbs up.

Very nice writing style too... i couldnt help my self to stop reading.

:)

Posted by: Luis | October 29, 2007 10:19 AM

I think emails containing the words "win" or "won" + "lottery" should automaticly go into the spam folder

Posted by: Dan | October 29, 2007 10:21 AM

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

Posted by: loretto santuchi | October 29, 2007 10:25 AM

Well, spammers are all alike, they are only interested in your money. And to think they would go great lengths just to victimize people. I also receive a lot of those replica offers, not only that, I also receive latest software offers, cheap online sex drug offers, the international lottery prize that I won (they even send follow up emails telling me that somebody else claimed the prize because I failed to get it), oh, I also get those multi million dollar business transaction deals from people who I don't know who lives somewhere in Africa, I get emails from unknown attorneys stating that an awfully rich business man died without leaving a will and they tracked me down as an only living relative (hah! I never thought that I had so many rich relatives in other countries), and there is the lazy man's job they offer me that says pay high and work at home all I need is an internet connection, and last but not least, the love letter from a girl in Russia telling me how much she fell in love with me and how desperately need my money to get her out of there. Sheesh... When will it end!? But it's interesting to do a little detective work like you did, trying to track down these thugs. ^^

Posted by: Bry | October 29, 2007 10:28 AM

can the tracking be faked? It was in the US postal system at that point.

And actually, I am not really sure of the point of this article. You got a spam email to purchase something, you bought something and they "gasp!" shipped it to you!

So, what exactly was the problem?

Posted by: E.L. | October 29, 2007 10:29 AM

Alain Tibberman is totally ripping you off

Posted by: A concerned individual | October 29, 2007 10:30 AM

Unfortunately, when it comes to money, Americans will do just about anything and most of the time it's stupid.    

It's really amazing to me how many people actually think any of this foolishness is real and get mad when they find out it's not!  -DUH- What about someone you don't know contacting you and offering to "let you cash a check and send them money and paying you to do it" could ever seen legit?  The check goes through your checking account which means you're using YOUR money and you don't have the amount of money they want so your account and your bank get scammed.  

I had a similar offer from Africa via email and I told the guy to send me Certified/Cashier's checks written to CASH or send a wire transfer via an African money transfer service (it helps to work at a job that deals with international money exchanges).  I even referenced the bank the man "claimed" he worked for and told him I had a representative he should know as she's been there for 15 years, and she could help him....He sent me 4 fake checks from "WEII's FARCO BANK" from "California" with a Colorado address and phone number.    When I demanded (yes, I actually had his real email) he send the money in the manner I specified and threatened to send his info and fake checks to the World Bank/IMF....not only did his emails stop ALL emails requesting this of me stopped and his email address blocked me and eventually was shut down.  I'm definitely not the one to bluff with things like this because I drive them crazy with the "reverse scam".  I guess this comes from living in DC...full of shysters.  If they try it, turn it around on them and make them the victim.  I'm working on a way to divert the transactions such as these into an untouchable dummy account that "must be reviewed and verified by the US FOREIGN EXCHANGE COMMISSION" This will also state that before they are released to the offender's account, said offender's bank has to verify the checks that were sent to be cashed and any fraudulent items will result in prosecution, etc....

Why can't the government come up with something like that?  They're too busy scamming us with this "war" to even care.  People...who gives away money?  Think and stop being so greedy.      

Posted by: NoElleNo | October 29, 2007 10:36 AM

Are you sure your tracking number and the tracking information are for real?  It would seem to me that if these "folks" are so good at covering there tracks as they seem, there is nothing preventing them from faking the tracking info.  Just curious as to how accurate that type of info is.

Posted by: LimeCooler | October 29, 2007 10:38 AM

i sent 450 dollars to a conman once for a psp when it first came out....but the best part was i was able to track him down and got him arrested and got my money back...thank god....

Posted by: lolo | October 29, 2007 10:39 AM

Love this article.  It is priceless and  you did awsesome work on this topic.  I think this needs to be published in EVERY major paper to highlight how dangerous spam is on so many levels!  Awesome job.

Posted by: Angela | October 29, 2007 10:40 AM

You posters crack me up.  "What bad luck that the earrings made it ALL the way to your town, but got lost at the last minute!"  "I wonder what really happened to the earrings?"  "Did someone steal them...did they fall off the mail truck when he made the turn into your driveway?"  Not to be rude, but wake up people, the package was never sent, it's all FRAUD!  No flippin wonder these scam artists make so much money.  Can people REALLY be this stupid??

Posted by: Bill | October 29, 2007 10:40 AM

I've been a tech on computers since 1985 in technical school.  All my knowledge over the years is destroyed when I try to have a business online, because of all the crooks ripping people off.  I am not afraid to still say, "I hate criminals because they destroy life for everyone."  The terrorists criminals destroyed our freedom at the airport, so I will not fly.  I don't like being controlled by criminals, such as at the airport.  The same is true online.  The criminals are going to put me out on the street if I can't get past them with my legit businesses online.  This article tells me how much harder it will be than I thought.

I sign up as many places as possible online, use my real name, and provide personal information to show I am a real human being and also an American.  I started using my real name more the last couple months and will keep doing it.  Because of online crime, I have to show who I am in order to gain integrity in the online market.  It is risky however, since I am also open to criminals, but I'm streetwise and watch my back.

My MySpace site is skybits where I provide as much personal interaction, plus advertising, but people did not respond after over 4000 hits and a year later.  My skybits.com site is not up right now because I moved it and have to work on it.  When it was up for several years nobody bought from me, even though I tried to be personal and professional asap.  Now after learning even more than originally, I'll make sure and put up a better site hoping for success.  I have invested many hours and money already so I've been in the hole for years.  I need to be successful though because I can't work labor very well anymore.  Online success is my last hope before homelessness.

Did you know the security key stuff on websites don't mean squat?  I don't have any control of the information on the server where my website is located.  Your personal information is being sent to that server at the hosting company.  The website owner has no control of it at all.   On the key side, they don't care who you are.  They take your money and give you a key to post on your site.  Money will buy legit stuff like a key on a site that criminals can use to rip people off.  People just have no idea how things work, so they believe those certificates (which we have to spend money on) really make a site legit.  Maybe I'll write an article about that.

Posted by: Laura Gullett | October 29, 2007 10:43 AM

What a great piece of informative fact.  It's nice to see some media outlets still encourage details in plain english without sensationalism.

I've been a reseller for CA products for many years and have seen great success protecting my my client base from viruses and malware.

This article should be required reading for any credit card applicant.

Well done Mark.

Posted by: Joe | October 29, 2007 10:46 AM

ethereal.com is decent software (freeware)

Posted by: Luke | October 29, 2007 10:47 AM

I recently made a purchase at a website called Naani.com (all natural products for hair and skin.) having no idea about this kind of thing.  I still can't reach a live person throught the phone number provided and have not received any replying emails regarding the endless emails that i've sent them.  On my account it still says that the money is pending (hasnt completely been taken out...but i still have no access to it) and it still cannot identify the merchant yet

Im still hoping that this is just a very small not so professional company that still hasn't found its way(therefore taking longer that usual to please it's customers).

Can anyone give me any advice on what to do....or is there nothing i can do?

Posted by: Karen | October 29, 2007 10:47 AM

For your knowledge......Your post office did not lose your item....What happens is that they send a blank envelop to an address similar to yours and is actually addressed to the individual that lives at that address....So all the tracking information shows up like it was delivered....

LONG PROCESS!!!

Would like to see a FOLLOW-UP when you check with the post office!

Posted by: JEFF | October 29, 2007 10:48 AM

OH MY GOD.........The things people will do to get your money!

Your diligence in tracking  this crime is amazing.  I have been approach with the money order scam from Nigeria.  Even had them send to me and contacted the FBI about it.  GLAD I WASN'T A FOOLL TO DEPOSIT THEM IN MY ACCOUNT LIKE THEY WANTED ME TOO.  Just wanted to see how far it would go.  I even get contacted via my yahoo instant messenging!

Posted by: Hilisha | October 29, 2007 10:48 AM

Looks like another spamer made some cash.

Did you notice how fast that merchandise got form China to DC?  Even with the date line, its impressive speed.

Posted by: Tim | October 29, 2007 10:49 AM

Interesting story - It is unclear however whether the author entered the tracking number he was given into the USPS website - or into the shipper's website. I know for a fact that this post office - RESTON, VA 20190 seems to lose a lot of mail.

Posted by: Eddy | October 29, 2007 10:49 AM

wow

Posted by: hahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahha | October 29, 2007 10:53 AM

Interesting and informative article. It seems way too coincidental that the package would make it all the way to the correct city and disappear. Faking the entire tracking information would be easy enough for the "company" to do.

Posted by: Rebecca Maynard | October 29, 2007 10:53 AM

Good, informative article, though I would have liked to see different types of malware-detecting software being mentioned.

Posted by: Rebekah | October 29, 2007 10:56 AM

I just wanted to point out that the scams are after the business owner as well. At one time I was getting a couple scam orders on my website a day. I would check every credit card and most were good (cost me a fee every time). The main thing to watch for is the billing address and ship to address don't match. That is always a red flag. I normally check the IP address. The phone number and if over a set dollar amount I call the phone number to see who I get.

I was able to get a hold of a couple of them by email and by phone and let them know their credit card was bad. They normally try to give me a new credit card with someone eles's name and a new billing address.

They even use big Brand names to try to fake me out.

Normally it is easy to catch a scam, but a lot are very very good at their game. A new business owner or high volume seller could get ripped off pretty quick and who the scammers pray on.

Posted by: Remark | October 29, 2007 10:57 AM

This was a well thought out plan to investigate a possible spoof site.  At least if you give a company like that a rechargable card you're not out that much money.  The one time I was feeling daring I did purchase from a company oversees online and they did not send my product which was software.  I emailed them and told them that it had been beyond the allotted time for shipment and I wanted my money back.  They actually credited my money and I received the item 2 weeks later.  I was shocked.  I thought I had been taken.  Not all of these sites are MONSTERS as someone phrased it earlier.  I don't think it's fair to group them all into one mold.  Hoewever, it is smart to research the site to make sure it is valid and using a credit card the way you did would be an intelligent way to go about purchasing from a suspect site if you really want to go down that road.

Posted by: Chris | October 29, 2007 11:04 AM

What is spoken here about spam is actually very true, so I have to wonder why some crook think its not worth sharing the info. hey, if you don't want to read about spam, go to sleep. we are different.

Posted by: redbull | October 29, 2007 11:05 AM

I'm glad I read this. As a person who orders online this was a great story. Thanks for the information, I will spread the word!

Posted by: Faith | October 29, 2007 11:08 AM

Thanks for posting this article. It really helped me understand the truth behind all of that spam/junk mail. I never open it to begin with, and your article proved that it's not worth it anyway. And if you need a watch? Just go to your local Sears...even if you have to pay a few extra $$, but at least you'll know you're getting something!

Posted by: Juliette | October 29, 2007 11:09 AM

A packet sniffer is very affordable in that several are free. One of the better known packet sniffers (packet analyzers) is Ethereal: http://www.ethereal.com/ which is released under the GNU General Public License.

Posted by: Mike | October 29, 2007 11:10 AM

My wife did the same thing as the auther. She ordered stuff 2 different times and never recieved any merchandise. BEWARE!!!!!

Posted by: Ernie | October 29, 2007 11:10 AM

Mark,

Why don't online security programs retain or show a listing of addresses where a retail web site is registered.  I would for example not make a purchase if I thought is was a foriegn addresss - in other words potentially a fake site.  It would be only one indicator - but one that at least can say - it is not registered in the country you think you are buying from.

Posted by: Blake | October 29, 2007 11:15 AM

Mark, good article. There were too many grammatical errors in it, though. You may want to have your article proof-read before posting it. I think your facts would be more accepted to the reader. It shows that you went the extra mile in your investigation.

Posted by: Paul Grell | October 29, 2007 11:18 AM

That was a great trip--Thanks!!!

Posted by: Christine | October 29, 2007 11:18 AM

Why didnt you finish the article and attempt to buy a watch again? Most of us are left hanging by your article not knowing if you'd actually receive your purchase. Why didn't you put the effort in to try once again after all the hard work you put in tracking it? Incomplete assignment on your part.

Posted by: jally | October 29, 2007 11:19 AM

First off, I would like to say... Thank you for taking the time to go through this, and then share it with us! I myself got MANY emails from Africa from "Kings" or "Reps Of Government" saying that they had to cash African funds, but wanted it all tax and duty free and needed an american to do it for them.

I DID answer one of these (same thing... I wanted to see where it was going to lead.) It was an African business investor looking to cash $23 million. He said that he would send me a $50,000.00 check (to get started) and for my trouble, I could keep $3,500.00 of it for myself.

Well, I had them send me the check (I still have the envelope) but what I did was I told them that I had NO checking account to do this with, and that I would sign it over to my son, and have him deposit it in his account. I then took it to the bank, told the manager about it, signed it, had my son sign it (both of us in front of the bank manager) and then handed it over to him. He said that it may take as long as two/three weeks to get any answer from the Canadian bank from where it came.

I then told this to my "African Connection" and he was MAD! He wanted this all to happen ASAP! He had "No time to spare!" But he had no choice in the matter.... Muahahahahaha! (evil grin)

I then got a call from the bank manager about the check. He said that the bank that issued the check would not cash it because it was now a "3rd party check." The manager said that this wasn't true, as they were counting themselves as the first party to the check. He said that if THEY wrote the check, then THEY have the account with the funds IN THEIR BANK. This would make the check easy to cash, and should never have been turned down at all!

Now, here is the kicker folks... My son's bank WOULD have cashed that $50,000.00 check AND placed it in my sons account! AND, had I sent ANY cash at all to my "African Connection" WE WOULD HAVE BEEN LIBEL FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF $50,000.00! They would have sent FBI after US and been looking for US to refund the cash to my sons bank, PLUS jail time for fraud!

Be smart! When you have a question about something that MAY not be right.... ASK!!!!

Posted by: Hentor | October 29, 2007 11:19 AM

The website is down again, for all of you who commented that it was back up this morning..  (oct 29-10:22 a.m. Central time)

Posted by: Kristle | October 29, 2007 11:23 AM

Interesting partial story. The part about the package getting lost just miles from its destination is left unexplored. It would be nice if not only the commenters spelled correctly, but the author as well. Imagine being referred to as anal for expecting words to be spelled correctly!

Posted by: SueB | October 29, 2007 11:23 AM

This comment is for those folks out there that are interested in nifty programs like packet sniffers but lack any knowledge what so ever as to what it is.

Be carefull simply searching for packet sniffer can lead you to some dangerous websites. You should probably read up on an IP packet and understand what it is first. It is also not a bad idea to look up IP address to research what an IP is and understand basic networking.

Posted by: Tim Buck Two | October 29, 2007 11:24 AM

I just check the website and it is NOT up and running.

Posted by: Samanatha | October 29, 2007 11:25 AM

Fun is a word to describe this article. I liked it and I enjoyed it!

Posted by: BoredGuyWhoIsNotBoredAnymore | October 29, 2007 11:28 AM

If you had a spam site that made it in an article on the front of yahoo.com wouldn't you turn it back on?

Posted by: Tim Buck Two | October 29, 2007 11:29 AM

We've ALL been scammed one way or another by these crooks. Great article.

Posted by: Scott L | October 29, 2007 11:30 AM

I don't usually post replies to web articles but this thing is fantastic. I mean, I was always wondering what would happen if somebody buy thing from these fake sites. I hate fancy watches and I'm not a drug junkie so I never click on the fake sites (my spam filter is at maximun).

Considering these websites are still operating... it seems there's a lot of people around wanting to pay cheap and get gold!

By the way, I'm from Peru. Thanks again for the post. Luck!

PS: "And last of all do not believe everything you read or get in an email, even if they are from nice church ladies" Superb, now it's my new signature, lol!

Posted by: Antonio Palacios | October 29, 2007 11:35 AM

I know there was a small amount left on the card and I was wondering if they tried to charge more to your card.

Posted by: Rana | October 29, 2007 11:36 AM

I have always felt that these were spam spots, and thanks to you they are.  There are so many out there that the only safe thing to do is delete them without ever going to them. Saves money and time.  Thanks again and do get in touch with the federal Goverment people such as the FBI. They would probably be very interested in what you have discovered.

Grace

Posted by: G.H. | October 29, 2007 11:37 AM

By the way....

boredtodeath said:

"ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz you could have saved yourself & readers some time & posted a blank page. What a bunch of NOTHING!"

Do us all a favor please.... we know that your 40ish, bald, live with your mother, sit front of the puter in your undies down loading porn and have no life at all to speak of... But you don't have to us that your stupid as well.

So, PLEASE go some place else when you have the need to show your intelligence... Or, the lack of it.

Thank you.

Posted by: Hentor | October 29, 2007 11:43 AM

Um... Mark Wade did not write the terrible, error-ridden, artless article that was posted on Yahoo! the morning of 10/29. Whoever that was gets paid by Yahoo! to write short summaries of real articles and post links; the fact that that guy/girl gets paid to be a writer makes my stomach turn. Anyway, Mark, great article.

1. Yes, the site will be up again. Mark did not say they go down permanently. They are down long enough to switch IP addresses and avoid the "vigilante" groups.

2. No, the earrings were not stolen by the USPS or the UK postal sorters. The comment above about a program that creates fake tracking numbers is probably accurate, but you can be sure there were no real earrings.

The number of intelligent responses to this article is encouraging. The number of ignorant comments less than usual. Mark, you attracted a good crowd for the most part.

Posted by: Calvin | October 29, 2007 11:48 AM

Great story, i like the bit when the post office lost the package!

Posted by: Jonathon | October 29, 2007 11:55 AM

that site is down again as of 10:59am CT (10/29)

Posted by: Winkiesmom | October 29, 2007 11:59 AM

EXCELLENT article!!

Posted by: MN | October 29, 2007 12:01 PM

thank you, Mark, and thank YAHOO to put his great article on the front page to catch my eyes.

Posted by: woojin | October 29, 2007 12:01 PM

I once was selling on eBay a laser printer and got one of those people responding that they'd like to buy it for $X and I was to accept full payment from their US "agent"...BIG RED FLAGS!  Any time anyone sidesteps the process on eBay, BEWARE!  Just another form of ripoff as in this excellent (tho' yes, a couple of typos) article!

If you make sure you always deal with solid, well-known, reputable companies, and verify you are on THEIR website (a quick peek to the URL takes half a second), you should be about as safe as you can expect to be these days.

Thanks, Mark!

Posted by: Mike | October 29, 2007 12:02 PM

Excellent article!! Thanks!

Posted by: MN | October 29, 2007 12:02 PM

Regarding the "lost package" - figure it out - if USPS can't find the package with a Tracking #, that means there was NO "PACKAGE"!

Posted by: Areader | October 29, 2007 12:22 PM

Why can't these sites be attacked?  Is it because they can just come and go so quickly that there can be no repurcussions?  Or is it that they are originating overseas?  Spammers should be shot in the head, imo.

Posted by: Evian Bidet | October 29, 2007 12:24 PM

Excellent. I've always wondered if there was any validity to the thousands of emails in my "bulk" box.

Thanks for this and sorry for your cash / earring loss.

Posted by: Lou | October 29, 2007 12:27 PM

Very interesting read--thank you for walking it all through! I have an elderly friend who is constantly being taken by these things. It's very frustrating.

Posted by: Lisah | October 29, 2007 12:29 PM

I think if we all stood up and reported everything that went on with the internet that was bad - well, it still would not change.  You have to yourself take all the precautions, protections, such as virus protection, Green Border, evidence eliminator and set you emails to look for spam emails and send them into another folder.  If you do not know the person sending, or if you do not know the business, the there is a little button in your email software called "DELETE".  With all the protection I have on my home computer, you still wonder how these guys get in.  If you have a 24-hour a day internet connection, you need to have the protection of your personal information, firewalls, spamware, adware protection.  There are lots of people out in the old world that purchase a computer, get on line without any protection and are consumed by these lazy jerks.  I think every computer purchased in the USA should not work unless you have the proper protection installed.  We are so worried about those ragheads out in that desert so, that we are blinded by the fact that they like all other countries are coming in the back door.  We gave china all the technologies, and now they are ahead of us in that department.

So, great article.  Should be read by everyone and everyone should do their part in reporting and protecting themselves.  If you don't protect yourself, no one else will.  Trust me.

Posted by: James T | October 29, 2007 12:29 PM

Thanks for doing this research for us. I would never consider doing business with spammers. Even if they aren't trying to rip you off, doing business with them only encourages them to send more spam...and I really don't want to send my money to anyone who is that inconsiderate of their potential customers.

Posted by: A Different Mark | October 29, 2007 12:42 PM

you are spam!     I have yet to see even one of the two other comments that I sent over the past two and a half hours.

 

Madeline thank you for taking the time to read my blog posting and taking the time to comment on it.  I am just now getting to address the comments.  As there are many my responses will take time.

Sincerely,
Mark

Posted by: madeline | October 29, 2007 12:43 PM

ive bought replica watches on numerous occasions both as a gift and for personal use. what i can say from my personal experience is that i recieved the packages as ordered in about a 2 week time frame and the production was overall very convincing. meaning, that everone who saw the watch thought it was real and it lasted for about a year before it gave out. not only have i bought timepieces but replica tiffanys jewelry which is the same to the T. all shipped and i was only charged for what i paid for.

Posted by: somespamislegit | October 29, 2007 12:43 PM

you are spam!     I have yet to see even one of the two other comments that I sent over the past two and a half hours.

Posted by: madeline | October 29, 2007 12:44 PM

You assume that the Shipping infomration is legitimate. I highly doubt that any information associated with the company is real.

Posted by: Jennifer | October 29, 2007 12:47 PM

gooid artiucle i never bought anything froma  spam mail before and i will never do.koodos to you sir!

Posted by: san20176 | October 29, 2007 1:06 PM

I actually learned quite a bit from reading the article from start to finish. My email address got used for one of these web sites. As a marketer who takes her job seriously, it really infuriated me that my name and email address were attached to something I would never promote.

Some people here have asked how to avoid spam mail. We receive spam mail when we fill out forms or surveys promising samples, coupons, or free products (how many emails do you have this morning for free lap tops or digital cameras?).

When you fill out those forms and hit the next button, you ARE authorizing the company in charge of that form to sell your information to third parties. People like myself. The first time I got bombarded, I was trying for samples and coupons for baby products.  You will especially be bombarded with at home business offers if you clicked the box expressing interest.

The best way to get out of receiving these emails is to look at the bottom of it and find the removal link. All legitimate and ethical businesses have them, because the last thing we want to do is bother someone not interested, and yes, it's the law that this link be there!

If you do not see a removal link at the bottom, look for a link leading you to whatever is being sold or promoted and forward that email to the company. Tell them this person is in violation of the spam act. If the company itself is legitimate, they will take this very seriously, and that person will have their account removed immediately ( my current pet peeve are the "dating" sites that harvest your name and lump it with about 50 others in the "to" field!- a huge no-no).  

you can also email the sender and ask them to remove your name from whatever database they received it from. It is not hard to do, so don't let anyone tell you they can't. All they have to do is email the company with your address and tell them you have requested to be removed.

Now, most people don't know this, but usually your name will be sold to more than one company. If you have had your name removed by a leads company, but you are still receiving emails, email the sender of that email and repeat the above step until the emails die out.

the best way to avoid spam is to delete those offers and surveys in your inbox! Usually, the requirements necessary to receive the free product cost more than you would pay if you just went out and bought the thing yourself

One last note, if you really want a nice piece of jewelry at a good deal, do yourself a favor and go to amazon.com or ebay.com where you can check out the seller's feedback. Most of them ARE indeed drop shippers (meaning they handle the sales for the company, then place the order and it is shipped directly to you from the company's warehouse), and the legitimate ones do answer to higher authorities.  You would try to resolve the complaint with them first, and if they don't, then you take it to Ebay, or amazon, leave low rating and they will soon be out of business. Power Stores on Ebay depend on high feedback, so they really will try to make sure you are a satisfied customer.

Happy shopping, happy at home business hunting, or whatever you are looking for online! There are good guys out there, we just have to fight the bad guys in our way, but it is possible to find that special deal without leaving the comfort of your home!

Posted by: Anne | October 29, 2007 1:15 PM

if u still need some earrings, please visit my site at www.ggdfbdfdf.com

nah kidding, great article! was just wondering, that church assistant who probably unknowingly sent you that mail, will she ever know she sent something like that out?

Posted by: Kelvin T | October 29, 2007 1:18 PM

Andy above pointed out that return addresses can be faked.  I've got to tell you, the ultimate sign of a fraud email is when you get a spam message with YOUR OWN ADDRESS as the sender (it's happened to me, multiple times!)  I do an adware/spyware/active virus sweep of my system about once a month (using different programs so that any oversight in one can be caught by the others), as well as a registry cleaner.  I also laugh at the phishing emails telling me I've got limited online access to my bank account, when they're "from" a bank with whom I've never even done business.  Someone else commented on how much work it is...with stuff like this, it's a huge initial effort...but with computers able to spew out millions of fake messages, once you're up and running, you just sit back and wait for human vices (greed and vanity) to sway the odds just enough to get the gullible ones to respond.  I'm just amazed that they're still responding...what ever happened to the old adage, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is..."?

Posted by: Curtis K. | October 29, 2007 1:24 PM

if u still need some earrings, please visit my site at www.ggdfbdfdf.com

nah kidding, great article! was just wondering, that church assistant who probably unknowingly sent you that mail, will she ever know she sent something like that out?

Posted by: K T | October 29, 2007 1:27 PM

Good story.  Very interesting details about what we all know would happen as a result of buying from spam--getting ripped off.  

But the thing is that there is that one idiot in a thousand that believe the spam and keep these guys going.

There's a sucker born every minute someone once said, and someone else said there's a hustler born every minute, and now every one of those hustlers is building a website every minute.  

Posted by: Jerry Cargill | October 29, 2007 1:33 PM

This is quite interesting.Thank you so very much for warning most of us that still go about looking out to reaping where we never sowed. Its a matter of being greedy.The things they offer at the prices they do can only be gotten if they were stolen.Why do people still fall for these tricks.

Posted by: E.Marcus | October 29, 2007 1:37 PM

Great article.  Thank you for satisfying my curiosity as I would never have been brave (stupid?) enough to buy from a spam email and hope that I would receive what I ordered.

Posted by: Rose H. | October 29, 2007 1:41 PM

Life is too short...it would be a lot nicer if it's shorter for criminals. I'm so sick of people leeching of others.  It's like an everyday event.

Posted by: MM | October 29, 2007 1:47 PM

Wow that was a good article. Wonder if they know they made front page yahoo. What is scary is that if you were to google say "replica watches" and that site came up and from the google description it wasn't bad looking you may not even know it was a scam. That's concerning. Fortunately I mark every one of those e-mail thingys "spam" and those ones that say "You have just recieved a 100$ gift card..." or "claim you 1000$ at...." or "youve just recieved 1,000,000$, claim here!!!!" etc etc especially the "free iPod nano" ones. I didn't know that they opened and shut their websites like that either. So if you did buy something it might be shut off before you could check out your order...

Posted by: A | October 29, 2007 2:10 PM

Go you Mark!

Posted by: A | October 29, 2007 2:17 PM

Since your pre-paid Visa was only for $100 originally, I'm sure you won't see any more charges... but is there a way to check for additional authorization attempts on the card?  That's what I'd be curious about...

Posted by: Chazzer | October 29, 2007 2:52 PM

thanks for the information Mark, I just cancelled my credit card on saturday for this same reason. From now on I'll be smarter and not use my credit card online never again.

Posted by: Chantal A | October 29, 2007 2:55 PM

Nice article, and some funny followup comments (Kelvin T, can I get some of those earrings too?).

It seems there's some need for a "secure Internet experience" page, with either downloads or links to the various tools described here.  I envision some basic guide which lists the various programs with specific comments as to what dangers they may involve.

Tim Buck Two advises us that searching for these things on our own can be dangerous, then to 'read up' on IP's and basic networking, but not how or where these might be safely (and usefully) pursued. Make it easy for well-intentioned dolts like us, TBT; toss us a link or two!

Lastly, as a former spelling champion, I invite the Spelling Police to investigate this email and send your findings to www.englishspellingisarbitrary.org to receive your prize ;-)

Posted by: Joe Buck Fifty | October 29, 2007 2:56 PM

Dear Mr. Wade

THANK YOU(!!) for your time, for the recearch and facts you opened to the internet buyers.

I wish you can publish this article in hundreds and thousands copies, to alert people and help all of us to fight with this criminals.

I wish your efforts will help to create a low that will punish them and protect people from these scams.

Posted by: Solomon Kraner | October 29, 2007 2:57 PM

When you looked up the top-esupport.com domain and saw "CSMJBS Enterprise", this is because AIT Domains (a domain registrar) will set your domain registration information that way by request if you would your contact details private.  They did not charge me extra when I had them do that for my domains.  I was a little confused about the private contact details they entered since they are different than the private registration example provided on the AIT Domains website.

Possibly, you did not receive the package because you did not use your real name for the credit card, and that information also doubled as who the package was to be delivered to.

Posted by: Wayne | October 29, 2007 3:20 PM

These comments filtered?

Posted by: Me | October 29, 2007 3:25 PM

A friend of mine replied to one of those "The heir of Zumbiatuta needs your help to release money from his country's bank". My friend demanded proof (knowing full well that it was scam) so he asked for a picture of himself holding a sign with his name, "Michael". Sure enough, he was sent back a picture of a person holding a sign with his name. I think that was about the extent of the fun he had with him. Too bad he didn't really put him up against the ropes. It just goes to show how far people are willing to go to make money.

Posted by: Jeff | October 29, 2007 3:37 PM

I have never attempted a purchase from spam -- the chances of fraud are just too astronomically high.  I know of people who have, for giggles they say, tried to buy pharmaceuticals, and all received packages, with mixed results.  Some appeared to be legitimate prescriptions sent from within the US, some were sample packs very close to or just past expiration dates sent from overseas (2 from India, 1 from Japan).  Another package contained anonymous tablets not identifiable in the PDR.  None of these dubious products were injested, fortunately.

What I have experienced is similar to the woman in Washington whose e-mail was hijacked as a spam launchpad.  One day my website mail link (info@[website name].com) had over 300 new messages that had made it past my spam filter, and an additional 5000+ in the "bulk" folder where suspected spam is directed.

All the messages were "return - undeliverable" bouncebacks from what had obviously been a blitzkrieg spamming fest using my mail address, with some randomly-generated word or name instead of "info" in front of the "@" in my address.  Apparently this works.  The few that I opened to check content all had variations on the "C!@lis" or V!agr@" type of spam.  

Since then, a number of legitimate recipients of my legitimate mail from my legitimate "info@[website].com" have not received it as their spam filter now blocks my mail address.

So this hijacking is not just an irritation, but has lowered the value of my own website name significantly.

I don't know what the solution / penalty is for this, but if anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

Posted by: damnspam | October 29, 2007 3:47 PM

I thought it was a great read and the guy/gal who was bored to death probably is a culprit!

Thanks for looking out for those who need looking out for!

Posted by: Mel | October 29, 2007 3:47 PM

I agree with Keith in Virginia - MUCH curiosity over what "spam" goods would look like when they arrive. (if they ever arrive??). I think you should do a follow up story! Get a grant, buy lots of spam goods and report on the results for all us curious people out here. Oh, and be sure to include a tape measure in the grant request - according to many of the spams I get, you'll need it!  

Thanks for an interesting article.

Posted by: Brenda | October 29, 2007 3:58 PM

Too bad law enforcement doesn't have the time to put a few more of these behind bars.

Posted by: Stan | October 29, 2007 4:34 PM

Tom in michigan,

The post office just commented that they were not able to find the package.  They did say that it could have been sent back.  But non-the-less they were not able to find it.  I do believe that the tracking number was real since I was able to follow it on USPS's website.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 29, 2007 5:39 PM

Kent,

Thank you for taking the time to provide a comment.  You are correct that is one way that Spammers operate.  I have also seen first hand of infected systems with SMTP mail engines sending out mass email.  

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 29, 2007 5:50 PM

So you spent $77 to figure out what ?  That spammers and scammers move around a lot ?

Your research started out so well but fell short of the final result: the man who organised it all and is now locked up.

I applaud your efforts but unless you get a result, you're just making them richer.

Posted by: David Keech | October 29, 2007 6:04 PM

For me the most worrisome part of this is that the Post-Office couldn't find it. It sounds to me like they have a way to make the PO believe that they lost it when maybe they never had it!

Posted by: Gabriel Betesh | October 30, 2007 12:05 AM

Gary,

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment on the blog article.  To answer your question, this piece was never written to call someone out as crooks, but rather just to show a behind the scenes looks at the a spam operation.  I am sure though that somewhere down the line in this operation some illegal activity occurred.  The link to the websites was sent out via spam from a compromised system.  That compromised system could have been part of a botnet.  The website owner purchased or rented a time slice from the botnet herder.  That in and of it self is a crime.  But as mentioned this article was nothing more than to peek under the covers from the beginning to the end of a spam operation.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 7:06 AM

Spud,

Thank you for your comments on the blog entry.  Yes you are correct that I originally didn't obfuscate the church lady's email address as the sender.  After reading your comments I quickly realized what I had done and changed the email address in the blog so she would not be further victimized.  Thank you very much for pointing that out to me.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 7:19 AM

J,

Thank you for your comments.  As I had mentioned to another who posted a comment, with regards to the missing jewelry the blog entry was more to uncover the soup to nuts of a spamming operation.  The only real violation of law that I can see was the sending of spam from compromised computer systems.

Thank you for your comments.

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 8:14 AM

Javier,

Thank you for your comment.  Actually sending spam is against the law.  Below I have provided a post to the Federal Trade Commission.  Problem is that this is a US law and much of the spam can come from outside the US.  The main problem is that the spam is being sent from Malware infected computers which may or may not be part of botnets.  Spam is also sent from open mail relays that are discovered on the Internet, though a lot of those have been discovered and shut down.

www.ftc.gov/.../canspam.shtm

Thank you for your comment.

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 8:20 AM

Some people though are dumb and whether they read this or not, they are still going to have their money stolen from them. I enjoyed reading about your adventure, I always wondered how those things worked, I constantly get replica watches emails.

I think my email might be sending some fake stuff spam mail to people too because every now and again I get an undieliverable message to someone I never even sent anything to. How to I get rid of this? It seems if you open up any email account, it doesnt really matter you will still get spam and you will still be sending out emails without your knowledge.

Posted by: Nikki | October 30, 2007 8:56 AM

Thanks for the informative article.  I am the IT person for my company and I am constantly reminding my staff about spam and internet exploits.  Your article will be circulated around my office for all to see and hopefully they will get the message.  We have filters on our e-mail but because some of our clients contact us via e-mail I have to leave the filters off, so we get plenty of spam.

It seems to me that the comments lambasting your article are probably written by the spammers and you're hurting their business!  Please keep up the great work.

Posted by: Les | October 30, 2007 9:07 AM

John D.,

Thank you very much for taking the time to read and comment on the article.  I am glad that you found the information useful, and I hope that it can help anyone, especially our fine Men and Women in the Military about the possible dangers out there.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 10:26 AM

Darrick,

Thank you for your comments.  I would be more worried about purchasing pirated software.  I have looked at some of those emails and websites during my investigation.  But as I mentioned I was more worried about violating the piracy laws.

Thanks for your comments.

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 10:39 AM

Danny Boy,

Thanks for reading the blog Danny.  Funny you mention it but I am actually far from a professional writer.  I spend all my time researching Malware and working with those that scour the Internet looking for danger spots for our customers.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 10:43 AM

Elizabeth,

Thank you for your comments.  The reason that I believe that the tracking number was correct was because the tracking number was a real USPSnumber.  The fact that the shipment was sent from its origin and pretty close to the destination I would assume that something would have been caught by USPS if it was not correct.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 10:47 AM

Larry,

Thank you for reading and commenting on the blog article.  I have provided a website below that you can find a packet sniffer.  Wireshark (formerly ethereal) is the most popular.  There should be FAQ and tutorials on the site.  Please be careful when using packet sniffers.  Unless you are using them on your own network (your home) if you are sniffing traffic in public places there are some fine lines that might be crossed in violating others rights of privacy.

http://www.wireshark.org/

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 10:51 AM

William Kelly,

Thank you for your comments.  I actually did call the number for Two Bucks in Cyprus, but never heard back from them.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 11:50 AM

Andrew,

Thanks for the comment.  In your case a spammer probably got your email address from somewhere and is just using it as the FROM address.  I would how ever run a scan on your system with an updated Spyware scanner to ensure that your system is not infected with Malware that an SMTP engine in it.

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 11:53 AM

Jose,

There are many definitions of spam, but to best answer your question tailored to your specifics spam would be an email that you received, but was not specifically sent to you, it just happened to be received by your mail client.  Usually spam is sent with the intention of driving people to a website, or to sell them a product or to spread Malware.  My philosophy is that I usually never open unsolicited email unless I do so in a controlled environment such as VMware images, or with a text only mail client.

I hope that this answers your question.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 12:02 PM

Dear some people are just......

Thank you for reading and commenting.  I apologize if I didn't make it clear in the writing.  The shipment was sent and tracked via USPS.  It was on USPS's website that I tracked the package.  I hope that this clears things up.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 12:06 PM

Sandhya,

Thank you for your comments.  I used the Wireshark protocol analyzer.  It can be found at http://www.wireshark.org/

As for reporting spam, you can report it the upstream ISP of the sender, but since email can be spoofed you need to make sure that the email really came from that person.  You can do that from the email headers and by looking at the IP addresses.

Thank you for your comments.

Mark

David,

Thank you for your comments.  The shipper was USPS and it was their site that I used to track the shipment for its source to my post office.

Thank you for your comments.

Mark

James,

Thanks for the reading and commenting.  Since I am spend all day working with Malware and malicious sites on the Internet I never claimed to be a professional writer, especially one with great grammar.  

Thanks for your comments.

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 1:02 PM

Paul,

Thanks for reading and commenting. As for the “I am sure” comments most of my article was verified, while some had to be based off of educational assumptions.  As for the “you're sure it's stored in an encrypted database when received?” comment I was trying to inject a little humor into the article.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Mark

Anne,

Thank you for reading the article and commenting on it.  I have checked to make sure that the card was not used by others, as I was almost expecting.  As for the checking on identity theft I have not, but that is a tremendous idea.  I will have to look.  Thank you for the suggestion.

Sincerely,

Mark

John C,

Thank you for reading and for your comments.  Yes I agree that there were some typos.  I wanted to make sure that readers such as you were on their toes.     You and Kesha make a good comparison.  Thanks for the information on identity theft.

Sincerely,

Mark

Andy,

Thanks for the comments.  You are correct there are many ways for email addresses to be used in spamming operations.  The shipper was USPS and since USPS issued a tracking number I believe that something was shipped.

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 1:16 PM

Steven,

The packet sniffer was Wireshark from www.wireshark.org.  It is really important to understand TCP/IP and how different protocols work.  There is a lot to know, but that is what Google is for.

Mark

Tony,

Thank you for reading and commenting.  The packet sniffer was Wireshark from www.wireshark.org.  It is FREE.  There are many others out there as well.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 1:33 PM

Ward Christensen,

Thank you for your interesting comments and thoughts.  Yes there are many ways that spammers can spend spam, and yes you are also correct that they can easily spoof the senders address.  

Thank you for your comments.

Mark

Blake,

Thank your for your comments.  I know that there is a big push for companies to start verifying ecommerce sites that are trustworthy.  Cybertrust is one that comes to mind.  

Mark

Me,

Thank you for writing and commenting.  No these comments are not filtered, I am just now getting around to responding to them.

Thanks,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Wade | October 30, 2007 1:53 PM

Thanks for the article. I was surprised that they sent anything. It's a pity you didn't receive it. It would have been interesting to see what the quality was like. I'd be curious if they would try to re-use the credit card again.

Posted by: Sean from AboutBlogging.Info | October 31, 2007 8:21 AM

A famous quotation from the The Art of War is &quot; If you know both yourself and your enemy, you will

Posted by: CA Security Advisor Research Blog | October 31, 2007 5:55 PM

So after such a joy ride around the world, the irony would be that the spammer may actually be a good guy who has done his work properly and the more legitimated government organization may be the one the mess up the final step.  I may be wrong but I wish you can get deep to the bottom of this saga.  This is a great investigation work.  We all may have had some feelings about these scams, but not until someone like you actually do a detective work to show how thing operate in detail and  turn it into science instead of just guesses base on conventional wisdom.

Posted by: Lenny C. | November 1, 2007 7:02 AM

I tried to email them a copy of your report just to let them know we know about their fraud, and you can't even send mail through the site. Why aren't they shut down yet?

Posted by: D Lane | November 1, 2007 1:19 PM

That was interesting. I have no idea why some one would bother to read such a lengthy article then post "Bored to Death" in thecomments. I personally learned a good deal about the operation of SPAM companies as well as how you guys track them down. Thank very much.

Posted by: MorganJr | November 1, 2007 5:30 PM

In reference to the above comment, I was founder and CEO of The Delaware Company, where I built the company into one of the country's largest and most successful online incorporation services. Its possible that the individual you mentioned used our service to incorporate. We formed over 10,000 companies in Delaware, Nevada and Florida and unfortunately I have seen my name used all over the internet without my permission as "Chairman" of numerous companies, including TooSpoiled. The Nevada Secretary of State website lists me as director of dozens of corporations that I have absolutely nothing to do with. Apparently there are also a number of domain names that have been registered under my name or address for the purpose of spamming or phishing. Google me and I look like a one-man crime wave. My company, Federal Savings LLC, has repayed apx. $4.7 million to note purchasers around the country. As the company's CEO, I believed in good faith, based upon advice of competent securities counsel, that the Notes were exempt from registration. Nobody willfully attempted to evade any law or regulation. Full refunds were provided to anyone who requested them until FSLLC's bank accounts were abruptly frozen. When told by the State of Washington to "cease and desist" selling the Notes, all such activities worldwide were immediately stopped pending resolution of any regulatory concerns. Without access to the funds or any ability to earn a return on them, I nevertheless made arrangements to pay the Notes in accordance with their terms. My personal funds were put into escrow to ensure such payments were fully available to the Note purchasers. I have been bankrupted and have paid a high personal price for my efforts to raise capital with the Notes. The civil remedies that might be available to purchasers of the Notes are not required because they have already been voluntarily provided.

Posted by: Jeremy Stamper | November 8, 2007 11:35 AM

Hello Mark,

Thanks for your fabulous article and great investigative work. It is guys like you who take the time and money to investigate scams make the world a happier place to be. It is time that these guys get shut down for good. The internet is agreat way to surf and buy products but is being exploited by unscrupulous people and organisations with criminal intent.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Romeo Ferns | November 10, 2007 8:54 AM

Hello Mark,

Thanks for your fabulous article and great investigative work. It is guys like you who take the time and money to investigate scams make the world a happier place to be. It is time that these guys get shut down for good. The internet is agreat way to surf and buy products but is being exploited by unscrupulous people and organisations with criminal intent.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Romeo Ferns | November 10, 2007 8:54 AM

i appreciate your patience and eagerness to know and going up to the dpth of the matter. Thanks a lot for awaring consumers like us.

Posted by: Shomie | December 4, 2007 2:53 AM

Nice Article i like it. i really dont know about some SPAM but want information.

Posted by: Papper Shredders | July 9, 2008 11:38 PM

i agree with shomie said there is lots of options but i belive on on BLOG owners :)

Posted by: Papper Shredders | July 16, 2008 1:57 AM

 
 
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