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What Makes You Think You Are An ITIL V3 Shop?

Published: June 27 2009, 08:23 PM
by Peter Doherty

At CA Expo here in Oz I asked the 200 people in my session who thought they were an ITIL V3 shop and probably 20 or so hands went up sheepishly. Maybe the reason for this is that they have seen what happens to people who put their hands up in response to my questions or maybe they were unsure.

Word out of the latest Gartner conference is that lots of IT organisations are adopting V3.  Now for the record, I think they should. But just because I think they should does not mean that they are. So here in Oz, which is a very mature Service Management market, I get mixed feedback about the adoption of V3. When I asked the same question in the Sydney Expo I told some of the people to put their hands down (see what I meant about putting your hand up in my sessions!). So why did I ask them to put their hands down? For the same reason that I do not think there is the ITIL V3 uptake that the analysts are quoting.

And that reason is that if you are just doing Incident, Problem, Change, don’t kid yourself that you are a V3 shop. It is really good that you are doing those things, don’t get me wrong. It is just that IT is so bad at managing expectations and here is another example:

You need to be doing more than the old Service Support processes.

So are the analysts wrong? And if so where are they getting the data? Or are they asking the wrong questions? I think it is a combination of things. I twitter on Service Management (@ITILNinja) and David Ratcliff of Pink Elephant (@pinkerdavid) asked the question about why are we twittering on advanced topics when most people are still crawling? And he is so right.

There are so many shops out there still implementing the SS processes and here I am talking about Service Portfolio Management. If you are struggling with Incident and Change, SPM is fantasyland. But I want people to start thinking about how good fantasyland could be!

And this is how I think you can define yourself as an ITIL V3 shop – you have started to think and plan to eventually get to Peter’s fantasyland and it is a good place!
 
You are an ITIL V3 shop if you have started to embrace some of the new processes and are talking about a Service Lifecycle. Sorry, not just talking about it but it is starting to become part of the culture. When you start appointing Service owners and Business Relationship Managers that actually talk to the business, not just other parts of IT.

So if an analyst asks you whether you are a V3 shop or not, forget about the pressure for you to say yes and ask yourself how you stack up against some of my basic criteria and also ask yourself whether your CIO talks about this as well.

As I always like to do – if you think you are a V3 shop, leave a comment and tell me why.

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By: Peter Doherty
Peter Doherty is an ITILv3 contributing author and a Principal Consultant for CA. With 25 years IT experience in Service Management as well as Enterprise Network and Systems Management, Peter Doherty is CA’s foremost Service Management evangelist in the Asia Pacific region. His day-to-day responsibility...
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great adviice

Posted by: Kelli Piperata | June 27, 2009 11:07 PM

Peter,

Interesting comments.  

I can share with you the majority of companies I talk to now are headed into the V3 realm, leveraging the service lifecycle approach which resonates well and it does allow them to get focus at higher levels of management than they may have in the past.

So, I think for most organizations they are not quite there yet, they are talking the talk and have commenced the walk.  

My question, if you simply update your incident and problem management implementations and add event - are you doing v3?

Robert E Stroud

Posted by: Robert Stroud | June 28, 2009 10:26 AM

Rob,

Great question and it is something that I feel strongly about. If they are just doing this, then they are still pretty entry level ITIL V2, to say you are ITIL V3 because you are doing a single V3 new process is a pretty long stretch.

For me V3 is a cultural shift that most organisations are yet to make - Service Centric - and an organisation that just does Incident, Problem and Event would struggle to be Service Centric

Just my opinion

Posted by: Peter Doherty | June 28, 2009 5:55 PM

I would think there could be at least 2 "symptoms" of V-Progression (from v2 to v3.......or could it also work in reverse?):

1.   Initial capability in at least some of the "service delivery" processes - Capacity & Financial mgt come to mind in particular.

2.   Initial capability in at least one of the 'upstream' v3 phases  - Service Design comes to mind.

These litmus tests would probably cull down even the 20 raised hands to a handful.

But it does raise a question ---- what are the 'symptoms of progression' within V2>V3?

Posted by: Jeff Foucher | June 29, 2009 11:03 AM

Peter-- I agree. V2 vs. V3 is a real challenge. I have spent a lot of time thinking about V2 vs. V3, and I have heard many discussions that have been close to arguments, if not fist fights. One extreme likes to argue that V3 is V2 reshuffled and revocabularized, but not different, so a v3 shop is indistinguishable from a v2 shop. Another extreme argues that v3 is a whole new beast and a site that does not have distinct and well-defined strategy and design is not an ITIL site at all.

I take a little different view. V3 did not invent continual improvement, but emphasis on continual improvement is the distinguishing characteristic of V3. I equate V3 with a level organizational self-awareness and focus on measuring the effectiveness of practices and using those measurements to improve practices. A site with healthy v2 practices has embraced v3 when they practice continual improvement. Practicing continual improvement leads to intelligent strategy, design, transition, and operations. I am not sure if that constitutes a high bar to v3 or a low bar! Cheers, Marv

Posted by: Marv Waschke | June 29, 2009 11:34 AM

Peter,

Totally agree that a cultural change required.  In North America at the moment we are starting to see the cultural change taking place as they move into the service centric model.  The starting point for most of them who were already doing V2 was the Continual Service Improvement book.  It is a journey, that's for sure.

Robert

Posted by: Robert Stroud | June 29, 2009 4:14 PM

I agree everyone.

As we are all so close to what we do everyday we perhaps don’t see what we are doing that is V3, rather we just see it as a maturity in processes and business.

We here in my organisation in fact didn’t see some of these things, but when we had another set of eyes on this we realised what we had started and how we could keep building.

We have added event management as a process but as we move forward with a service approach, not an infrastructure approach, we see so many opportunities to build in continuous improvement, so much so that we have now added a service manager to continue these developments with the process owners. This role re-confirms to the business and our clients, the clear path we wish to follow, ensuring we become service centric and drive the values to support this.

In the first stages of this swap in thinking for IT teams such as change and configuration have already developed continuous improvement plans that they manage to strategically and operationally.

We are also looking into building more service portfolio management and continuing to build our service catalogue.

We have found a great step to teams embracing the complete cultural swap to service focus was the implementing of our service config management, in which we linked our service desk, CMDB, event management and so on with a business representation via a portal.

This has shown an instant win with both service visibility and also a technical aid. It’s a foundation that shows the relevance to both sides and can be used to look to as we continue the journey together.

An exciting challenge!

Posted by: Amanda Deakin | July 5, 2009 6:25 PM

Amanda,

Great comments, thank you!

How have you found dealing with the cultural swap to the business representation within the portal.  For instance, have you found that the Service Desk is looking for the business impact with incidents, the change manager for changes etc?  Also how has the business found the evolution?

Robert E Stroud CGEIT

Posted by: Robert Stroud | July 5, 2009 7:32 PM

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